* bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs @ 2017-11-13 23:17 ` myglc2 2017-11-13 23:45 ` Glenn Morris 2017-11-14 15:18 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: myglc2 @ 2017-11-13 23:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 29290 To see an example, search bug-gnu-emacs for 'server-name', e.g., http://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=server-name&submit=Search%21&idxname=bug-gnu-emacs&max=20&result=normal&sort=score This gives 20 hits non of which is ... https://debbugs.gnu.org/23576 [documentation] ‘Using Emacs as a Server’: ‘M-x set-variable RET server-name RET foo RET’ In GNU Emacs 25.3.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) of 2017-11-02 built on localhost Configured using: 'configure CONFIG_SHELL=/gnu/store/6hsr7fb705l35g6rqx0ai5qhaj0hzlsp-bash-minimal-4.4.12/bin/bash SHELL=/gnu/store/6hsr7fb705l35g6rqx0ai5qhaj0hzlsp-bash-minimal-4.4.12/bin/bash --prefix=/gnu/store/0db35vnbjkzrjl75pb8jh9x8c7glp9ai-emacs-no-x-toolkit-25.3 --enable-fast-install --build=x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu --with-x-toolkit=no' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG IMAGEMAGICK SOUND DBUS GSETTINGS NOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE M17N_FLT LIBOTF XFT ZLIB X11 Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.utf8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: IBuffer Minor modes in effect: magit-auto-revert-mode: t global-git-commit-mode: t async-bytecomp-package-mode: t diff-auto-refine-mode: t erc-list-mode: t erc-menu-mode: t erc-autojoin-mode: t erc-ring-mode: t erc-networks-mode: t erc-pcomplete-mode: t erc-track-mode: t erc-match-mode: t erc-button-mode: t erc-fill-mode: t erc-stamp-mode: t erc-netsplit-mode: t erc-irccontrols-mode: t erc-noncommands-mode: t erc-move-to-prompt-mode: t erc-readonly-mode: t global-hl-line-mode: t volatile-highlights-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t winner-mode: t xterm-mouse-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t 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* bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs 2017-11-13 23:17 ` bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs myglc2 @ 2017-11-13 23:45 ` Glenn Morris 2017-11-14 0:12 ` myglc2 2017-11-14 15:18 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2017-11-13 23:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: myglc2; +Cc: 29290 myglc2 wrote: > To see an example, search bug-gnu-emacs for 'server-name', e.g., > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=server-name&submit=Search%21&idxname=bug-gnu-emacs&max=20&result=normal&sort=score > > This gives 20 hits non of which is ... > > https://debbugs.gnu.org/23576 > [documentation] 'Using Emacs as a Server': 'M-x set-variable RET server-name RET foo RET' lists.gnu.org is general GNU infrastructure not maintained by anyone here at Emacs. I'm not sure what the right contact address is; perhaps mailman at gnu.org. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs 2017-11-13 23:45 ` Glenn Morris @ 2017-11-14 0:12 ` myglc2 2017-11-14 21:15 ` Bob Proulx 2017-11-30 17:15 ` bug#29290: [gnu.org #1252961] " Ian Kelling via RT 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: myglc2 @ 2017-11-14 0:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn Morris, mailman; +Cc: 29290 It seems like the bug-gnu-emacs archive is not being properly indexed/searched. Please see forwarded emacs bug#29290 below ... On 11/13/2017 at 23:45 Glenn Morris writes: > myglc2 wrote: > >> To see an example, search bug-gnu-emacs for 'server-name', e.g., >> >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=server-name&submit=Search%21&idxname=bug-gnu-emacs&max=20&result=normal&sort=score >> >> This gives 20 hits non of which is ... >> >> https://debbugs.gnu.org/23576 >> [documentation] 'Using Emacs as a Server': 'M-x set-variable RET server-name RET foo RET' > > lists.gnu.org is general GNU infrastructure not maintained by anyone > here at Emacs. I'm not sure what the right contact address is; perhaps > mailman at gnu.org. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs 2017-11-14 0:12 ` myglc2 @ 2017-11-14 21:15 ` Bob Proulx 2017-11-14 22:02 ` Ian Kelling 2017-11-30 17:15 ` bug#29290: [gnu.org #1252961] " Ian Kelling via RT 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Bob Proulx @ 2017-11-14 21:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: myglc2; +Cc: 29290, mailman On 11/13/2017 at 23:45 Glenn Morris writes: > myglc2 wrote: >> To see an example, search bug-gnu-emacs for 'server-name', e.g., >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=server-name&submit=Search%21&idxname=bug-gnu-emacs&max=20&result=normal&sort=score >> This gives 20 hits non of which is ... >> https://debbugs.gnu.org/23576 >> [documentation] 'Using Emacs as a Server': 'M-x set-variable RET server-name RET foo RET' Let me refine the report a little bit. Here is the search: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=server-name&submit=Search%21&idxname=bug-gnu-emacs&max=1000&result=normal&sort=score But it does not locate this message which contains that search string: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2016-05/msg00923.html From: Dmitry Alexandrov Subject: bug#23576: [documentation] ‘Using Emacs as a Server’: ‘M-x set-variable RET server-name RET foo RET’ Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:25:38 +0300 > lists.gnu.org is general GNU infrastructure not maintained by anyone > here at Emacs. I'm not sure what the right contact address is; perhaps > mailman at gnu.org. This is a good address for the report. FSF sysadmin is on this list. Bob ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs 2017-11-14 21:15 ` Bob Proulx @ 2017-11-14 22:02 ` Ian Kelling 2017-11-14 22:30 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Ian Kelling @ 2017-11-14 22:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bob Proulx; +Cc: myglc2, 29290, mailman More info, no result on that message searching for the bug number, but the next bug number works fine. Not found https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=23576&submit=Search%21&idxname=bug-gnu-emacs&max=100&result=normal&sort=score Found: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=23577&submit=Search%21&idxname=bug-gnu-emacs&max=100&result=normal&sort=score I'll root around in the documentation and on the server until I figure out whats up. -- Ian Kelling | Senior Systems Administrator, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: B125 F60B 7B28 7FF6 A2B7 DF8F 170A F0E2 9542 95DF https://fsf.org | https://gnu.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs 2017-11-14 22:02 ` Ian Kelling @ 2017-11-14 22:30 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2017-11-14 22:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ian Kelling; +Cc: myglc2, 29290, mailman, Bob Proulx Thanks! While you are here... :) I often see it said that the search on http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/ is very messed up. Search results seem to have nothing to do with the query. As a random example, search for "idempotent" (but anything will do). I get 20 results, none (?) of which seem to contain the search term. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#29290: [gnu.org #1252961] Re: bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs 2017-11-14 0:12 ` myglc2 2017-11-14 21:15 ` Bob Proulx @ 2017-11-30 17:15 ` Ian Kelling via RT 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Ian Kelling via RT @ 2017-11-30 17:15 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: 29290, mailman I regenerated the search index and the searches mentioned in bug-gnu-emacs and other bad search results reported elsewhere give good results. However, I did not find the root cause of problem. Something is likely going wrong in the incremental indexing done by namazu. I've improved that so it reports errors: we were incorrectly ignoring them before. Hopefully that will lead to tracking down the root cause, but if you notice any problems, especially in searching for messages posted at a time after around now (those will all be incrementally indexed), please let us know. The reindexing of lists is still in progress and should finish in about 24 hours, so you might still notice issues on other list archive searches until then. Search will be temporarily broken for each list as it is reindexed. It is going a-z and is currently doing emacs-devel as I send this (it hasn't gotten to emacs-orgmode yet). -- Ian Kelling | Senior Systems Administrator, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: B125 F60B 7B28 7FF6 A2B7 DF8F 170A F0E2 9542 95DF https://fsf.org | https://gnu.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs 2017-11-13 23:17 ` bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs myglc2 2017-11-13 23:45 ` Glenn Morris @ 2017-11-14 15:18 ` Eli Zaretskii 2017-11-14 17:42 ` myglc2 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2017-11-14 15:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: myglc2; +Cc: 29290 > From: myglc2 <myglc2@gmail.com> > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:17:28 -0500 > > To see an example, search bug-gnu-emacs for 'server-name', e.g., > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=server-name&submit=Search%21&idxname=bug-gnu-emacs&max=20&result=normal&sort=score > > This gives 20 hits non of which is ... > > https://debbugs.gnu.org/23576 > [documentation] ‘Using Emacs as a Server’: ‘M-x set-variable RET server-name RET foo RET’ My suggestion is to use the search engine of the bug tracker, at https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/search.cgi It is more sophisticated and does find the above bug report. The reasons why the mailman search didn't find the report could be a few. One of them could be the way the Subject line was formatted (download the bug report in mbox format and see for yourself). Or it could be some other snafu. But you are advised to try the above search engine before concluding that a bug for some issue doesn't exist. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs 2017-11-14 15:18 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2017-11-14 17:42 ` myglc2 2017-11-14 18:53 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: myglc2 @ 2017-11-14 17:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 29290 On 11/14/2017 at 15:18 Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: myglc2 <myglc2@gmail.com> >> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:17:28 -0500 >> >> To see an example, search bug-gnu-emacs for 'server-name', e.g., >> >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=server-name&submit=Search%21&idxname=bug-gnu-emacs&max=20&result=normal&sort=score >> >> This gives 20 hits non of which is ... >> >> https://debbugs.gnu.org/23576 >> [documentation] ‘Using Emacs as a Server’: ‘M-x set-variable RET >> server-name RET foo RET’ > My suggestion is to use the search engine of the bug tracker, at > > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/search.cgi > > It is more sophisticated and does find the above bug report. I tried the link above. It takes an unnatural amount of effort to find the bug between the garbled titles and summary lines. > The reasons why the mailman search didn't find the report could be a > few. One of them could be the way the Subject line was formatted > (download the bug report in mbox format and see for yourself). Or it > could be some other snafu. But aren't you alarmed it works so poorly? > But you are advised to try the above > search engine before concluding that a bug for some issue doesn't > exist. Sorry, I didn't see that. Where is this advised? 'M-x report-emacs-bug' mentions debbugs.gnu.org but does not provide any specific advice. The first google hit for "emacs bug" is https://debbugs.gnu.org So, OK, both put you on debbugs.gnu.org. Now if you search the page for "emacs" ... ... the first hit is the aforementioned mailman search ;-( ... the second hit is https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=emacs;max-bugs=100;base-order=1;bug-rev=1 ... which I can't get to find the bug ;-( So, bottom line, 1) if you _don't want_ people to go to mailman search please _remove the 1st link_ on debbugs.gnu.org 2) if you want people to go to the search link you gave me, please _edit the 2nd link_ debbugs.gnu.org 3) If you want average users to use https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/search.cgi to pre-chew bug reports please to improve its usability. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs 2017-11-14 17:42 ` myglc2 @ 2017-11-14 18:53 ` Eli Zaretskii 2017-11-14 20:41 ` myglc2 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2017-11-14 18:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: myglc2; +Cc: 29290 > From: myglc2 <myglc2@gmail.com> > Cc: 29290@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:42:36 -0500 > > > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/search.cgi > > > > It is more sophisticated and does find the above bug report. > > I tried the link above. It takes an unnatural amount of effort to find > the bug between the garbled titles and summary lines. "Garbled"? What do you see there, exactly, and what browser did you use to do that? I see nothing garbled, everything is perfectly legible and clear. I wonder what did you do differently and what did you see. After getting to the above search page, I type "server-name" into the "Phrase" field, select "Order by Submission date", in "descending (number or date)" order, change "Max results" to 100, and click "Search". Did you do something else? > > The reasons why the mailman search didn't find the report could be a > > few. One of them could be the way the Subject line was formatted > > (download the bug report in mbox format and see for yourself). Or it > > could be some other snafu. > > But aren't you alarmed it works so poorly? Alarmed? no. Searching for a particular discussion is never easy for me. > > But you are advised to try the above > > search engine before concluding that a bug for some issue doesn't > > exist. > > Sorry, I didn't see that. Where is this advised? In my email. > The first google hit for "emacs bug" is https://debbugs.gnu.org > > So, OK, both put you on debbugs.gnu.org. Now if you search the page for > "emacs" ... > > ... the first hit is the aforementioned mailman search ;-( > > ... the second hit is > > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=emacs;max-bugs=100;base-order=1;bug-rev=1 > > ... which I can't get to find the bug ;-( I see none of what you see, sorry. It's as if we were in two different worlds. https://debbugs.gnu.org/ has a few links to usage notes, package maintainers, and other not-so relevant stuff, then a few fields to use for searching bugs by their numbers, then "General Search", which I never user, and lastly "Advanced Search", which is what I suggested to click. How come what you see is so different? > So, bottom line, > > 1) if you _don't want_ people to go to mailman search please _remove the > 1st link_ on debbugs.gnu.org > > 2) if you want people to go to the search link you gave me, please _edit > the 2nd link_ debbugs.gnu.org > > 3) If you want average users to use > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/search.cgi to pre-chew bug reports please > to improve its usability. I don't understand what you are talking about, sorry. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs 2017-11-14 18:53 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2017-11-14 20:41 ` myglc2 2017-11-15 3:34 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: myglc2 @ 2017-11-14 20:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 29290 On 11/14/2017 at 18:53 Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: myglc2 <myglc2@gmail.com> >> Cc: 29290@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:42:36 -0500 >> >> > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/search.cgi >> > >> > It is more sophisticated and does find the above bug report. >> >> I tried the link above. It takes an unnatural amount of effort to find >> the bug between the garbled titles and summary lines. > > "Garbled"? What do you see there, exactly, and what browser did you > use to do that? I see nothing garbled, everything is perfectly > legible and clear. I wonder what did you do differently and what did > you see. Using Safari on Macos on https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/search.cgi, when I enter "server-name AND set-variable" and look in the results for 23576, I find ... #23576: Re: bug#23576: [documentation] =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=98Using?= Emacs as a Package: emacs Severity: minor; Sent by: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> at Wed, 18 May 2016 22:53:33 +0300 Received: (at 23576-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 May 2016 19:53:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bou . . . s as a =?utf-8?Q?Server=E2=80=99=3A_=E2=80=98M-x?= set-variable RET server-name RET foo =?utf-8?Q?RET=E2=80=99?= R . . . ach one a unique “server nameâ€, using the variable server-name. For > example, M-x set-variable RET server-name R . . . ode/emacs/Emacs-Server.html > > First of all, ‘M-x set-variable RET server-name RET foo RET' just does > not work, . . . rning “Value ‘foo' does not match type string of > server-nameâ€. It actually should be ‘M-x set-variable RET serv I call this "garbled" because it is so mangled by escape that the title is uninformative and the paragraph is unreadable. It looks the same in Chrome. It looks only a bit better in 'M-x eww' ... * #23576: Re: bug#23576: [documentation] =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=98Using?= Emacs as a Package: emacs Severity: minor; Sent by: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> at Wed, 18 May 2016 22:53:33 +0300 Received: (at 23576-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 May 2016 19:53:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bou . . . s as a =?utf-8?Q?Server=E2=80=99=3A_=E2=80=98M-x?= set-variable RET server-name RET foo =?utf-8?Q?RET=E2=80=99?= R . . . ach one a unique “server name”, using the variable server-name. For > example, M-x set-variable RET server-name R . . . ode/emacs/Emacs-Server.html > > First of all, ‘M-x set-variable RET server-name RET foo RET' just does > not work, . . . rning “Value ‘foo' does not match type string of > server-name”. It actually should be ‘M-x set-variable RET serv Am I being too harsh? ;-) > > After getting to the above search page, I type "server-name" into the > "Phrase" field, select "Order by Submission date", in "descending > (number or date)" order, change "Max results" to 100, and click > "Search". Did you do something else? No, the page works that way for me too. >> > The reasons why the mailman search didn't find the report could be a >> > few. One of them could be the way the Subject line was formatted >> > (download the bug report in mbox format and see for yourself). Or it >> > could be some other snafu. >> >> But aren't you alarmed it works so poorly? > > Alarmed? no. Searching for a particular discussion is never easy for > me. > Ouch! Search is the great success story of the the 20th century, but only when you can read the results ;-) > >> > But you are advised to try the above >> > search engine before concluding that a bug for some issue doesn't >> > exist. >> >> Sorry, I didn't see that. Where is this advised? > > In my email. OH, thanks. I thought you were saying I had failed to see something. > >> The first google hit for "emacs bug" is https://debbugs.gnu.org >> >> So, OK, both put you on debbugs.gnu.org. Now if you search the page for >> "emacs" ... >> >> ... the first hit is the aforementioned mailman search ;-( >> >> ... the second hit is >> >> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=emacs;max-bugs=100;base-order=1;bug-rev=1 >> >> ... which I can't get to find the bug ;-( > > I see none of what you see, sorry. It's as if we were in two > different worlds. https://debbugs.gnu.org/ has a few links to usage > notes, package maintainers, and other not-so relevant stuff, then a > few fields to use for searching bugs by their numbers, then "General > Search", which I never user, and lastly "Advanced Search", which is > what I suggested to click. How come what you see is so different? > No we see the same thing but I am talking about some of the what you are calling "not-so relevant stuff" ;-) Please look for the links on https://debbugs.gnu.org/ with "emacs" in their title. You will see links to ... 1) https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs 2) https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=emacs;max-bugs=100;base-order=1;bug-rev=1 These send your emacs users with bugs to report to places that you don't recommend that they go so I am saying please change them ... >> So, bottom line, >> >> 1) if you _don't want_ people to go to mailman search please _remove the >> 1st link_ on debbugs.gnu.org >> >> 2) if you want people to go to the search link you gave me, please _edit >> the 2nd link_ debbugs.gnu.org >> >> 3) If you want average users to use >> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/search.cgi to pre-chew bug reports please >> to improve its usability. > > I don't understand what you are talking about, sorry. So I tried again. HTH - George ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs 2017-11-14 20:41 ` myglc2 @ 2017-11-15 3:34 ` Eli Zaretskii 2017-11-15 11:47 ` Noam Postavsky 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2017-11-15 3:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: myglc2; +Cc: 29290 > From: myglc2 <myglc2@gmail.com> > Cc: 29290@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:41:02 -0500 > > #23576: Re: bug#23576: [documentation] =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=98Using?= Emacs That's not "garbled", that's the RFC 2047 encoded subject line, as originally produced by the MUA of the person who reported the bug. > I call this "garbled" because it is so mangled by escape that the title > is uninformative and the paragraph is unreadable. You should look at the highlighted matches for the search strings, and determine whether this is what you are looking for. > Am I being too harsh? ;-) Definitely. > Please look for the links on https://debbugs.gnu.org/ with "emacs" in > their title. > > You will see links to ... > > 1) https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs > > 2) https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=emacs;max-bugs=100;base-order=1;bug-rev=1 > > These send your emacs users with bugs to report to places that you don't > recommend that they go so I am saying please change them ... I see no reason to change that. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs 2017-11-15 3:34 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2017-11-15 11:47 ` Noam Postavsky 2017-11-15 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Noam Postavsky @ 2017-11-15 11:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: myglc2, 29290 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> From: myglc2 <myglc2@gmail.com> >> Cc: 29290@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:41:02 -0500 >> >> #23576: Re: bug#23576: [documentation] =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=98Using?= Emacs > > That's not "garbled", that's the RFC 2047 encoded subject line, as > originally produced by the MUA of the person who reported the bug. It's not very human friendly though. There's also some mojibake from the fancy quotes: one a unique “server name†https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojibake Mojibake (文字化け) (IPA: [mod͡ʑibake]; lit. "character transformation"), from the Japanese 文字 (moji) "character" + 化け (bake, pronounced "bah-keh") "transform", is the garbled text that is the result of text being decoded using an unintended character encoding PS I would find that search much more usable if it coalesced matches to the same bug; as it is, you typically have to scroll past a lot of repeats for long bug threads. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs 2017-11-15 11:47 ` Noam Postavsky @ 2017-11-15 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2017-11-15 17:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Noam Postavsky; +Cc: myglc2, 29290 > From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@users.sourceforge.net> > Cc: myglc2 <myglc2@gmail.com>, 29290@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 06:47:10 -0500 > > >> #23576: Re: bug#23576: [documentation] =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=98Using?= Emacs > > > > That's not "garbled", that's the RFC 2047 encoded subject line, as > > originally produced by the MUA of the person who reported the bug. > > It's not very human friendly though. There's also some mojibake from > the fancy quotes: > > one a unique “server name†Two more reasons not to use curly quotes in email, I guess. > PS I would find that search much more usable if it coalesced matches to > the same bug; as it is, you typically have to scroll past a lot of > repeats for long bug threads. You are assuming people look for bugs, but that doesn't have to be the case. They could look for something mentioned tangentially, or just in part of the bug discussion. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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