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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs?
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:54:35 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ik8ttb$hlp$1@colin2.muc.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 918e573a-edf9-4e93-8c10-3bda3e0b9d86@j35g2000prb.googlegroups.com

Hi, Rusi,

In comp.emacs rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 25, 12:16?pm, Alan Mackenzie <a...@muc.de> wrote:

>> For what it's worth, it's not personal. ?A giant fireball blows up
>> when _anybody_ suggests UI changes in Emacs. ?The UI is an important
>> part of what Emacs is, so it's bound to give rise to discussion when
>> anybody wants to change it.

> Hi Alan.

> I remember you suggesting some time an idea that you called
> 'emacsicality' -- basically a grain of customizability larger than
> individual key/function binding or even major mode.  [Subsequently I
> tried to look it up but my google-fu failed me]

> Do you remember what this suggestion was?

I don't remember using "emacsicality" (but it's the sort of "word" I
would use).  An idea I once had was "Emacs personalities" - there'd be
classic Emacs, CUA Emacs, possibly Ergo Emacs each callable from the
command line as its own command.  So you might start the editor with the
command
    % cua-emacs
.  The commands would all be aliases (or the W32 equivalent, whatever
that is) of the plain emacs command.  It would be implemented by a
"personality" configuration file, loaded before site-start.el.

The idea would be to allow newbies, who might otherwise be overwhelmed by
configuration, to get a taste of the variety possible under Emacs.

I think the idea came up when the making of transient-mark-mode on by
default was being discussed on the Emacs development list.  That
discussion was more like a supernova than a fireball.  ;-)

> In any case do you realize that this statement of yours suggests that
> *fact* of emacs encrustation is opposed to the *philosophy* of infinite
> customizability?

:-).  I don't really think so.  More precisely, discussions about UI are
nearly always about the _defaults_, and the wisdom, or otherwise, of
changing them.  Pretty much any new UI feature is welcome, provided it is
an option which is disabled by default.  The stability of the default
features doesn't in any way contradict the philosophy of infinite
customisability.

My view is that the defaults should remain very stable indeed, (but not
totally frozen).  At the same time I have an extensive .emacs.

> Rusi

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-25 18:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 179+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-27  8:33 What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature of Emacs? Le Wang
2011-01-27  9:29 ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-27 12:03 ` Wang Lei
2011-01-27 14:13   ` suvayu ali
2011-01-27 14:12 ` Ken Goldman
2011-01-27 18:11 ` Erik Iverson
     [not found] ` <mailman.0.1296137574.27610.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-01-27 22:23   ` Joe Fineman
2011-01-28  6:40     ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-28 18:25       ` What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs? Drew Adams
     [not found]       ` <mailman.12.1296239161.1176.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-02-22 14:49         ` Xah Lee
2011-02-22 16:27           ` despen
2011-02-23  3:52             ` Glenn Morris
2011-02-22 19:47           ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-02-23  0:21             ` Xah Lee
2011-02-23  2:06             ` Cthun
2011-02-23  2:33               ` Rafe Kettler
2011-02-23  5:19                 ` Cthun
2011-02-23  7:07                   ` Tim X
2011-02-23 13:28                     ` Keyboarding [Re: What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs?] Xah Lee
2011-02-23 15:39                     ` What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs? Cthun
2011-02-23 19:50                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-02-23 22:57                       ` Tim X
2011-02-24  0:04                         ` trebol55555
2011-02-24  3:48                         ` Cthun
2011-02-23  9:23                   ` Brendan Halpin
2011-02-23 17:15                   ` Rafe Kettler
2011-02-23 18:33                     ` Ilya Zakharevich
2011-02-23 18:47                       ` Deniz Dogan
2011-02-23 22:08                       ` Cthun
2011-02-23 22:07                     ` Cthun
2011-02-23 23:46                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2011-02-24  3:53                         ` Cthun
2011-02-24  3:58                     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-24  7:06                       ` Leo
2011-02-24 15:58                       ` Richard Riley
2011-02-24 17:20                         ` despen
2011-02-24 14:43                     ` fortunatus
2011-02-24 16:43                       ` Xah Lee
2011-02-24 17:48                         ` Eric Schulte
2011-02-24 18:38                           ` Cthun
2011-02-24 23:14                           ` Xah Lee
2011-02-25  1:44                             ` javax.swing.JSnarker
2011-02-25  7:16                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-02-25 12:11                               ` rusi
2011-02-25 18:54                                 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2011-02-25 23:19                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-02-26  4:01                                   ` rusi
2011-02-24 18:37                       ` javax.swing.JSnarker
2011-02-24 22:04                       ` Deniz Dogan
2011-02-23  7:16                 ` D Herring
2011-02-23  5:22               ` Tim X
2011-02-23 15:13                 ` Cthun
2011-02-23 18:06                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-02-23 19:22                   ` Jason Earl
2011-02-23 22:18                     ` Cthun
2011-02-23 23:54                       ` Jason Earl
2011-02-24  4:05                         ` Cthun
2011-02-24  5:19                   ` PJ Weisberg
2011-02-24  5:38                     ` Todd Wylie
2011-02-25  2:48                       ` PJ Weisberg
2011-02-25 18:43                 ` Jim Janney
2011-02-26  6:05                   ` Cthun
2011-02-26  7:21                     ` PJ Weisberg
2011-02-26 20:13                     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-27  6:21                       ` Cthun
2011-02-27  8:08                         ` David Kastrup
2011-02-27 15:28                           ` Cthun
2011-02-27 15:46                             ` David Kastrup
2011-02-27 15:51                               ` Cthun
2011-02-27 17:28                                 ` Julian Bradfield
2011-02-27 19:52                                   ` Cthun
2011-02-27 20:41                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-02-27 21:02                                       ` Cthun
2011-02-27 20:59                                     ` Robert D. Crawford
2011-02-27 20:58                                   ` Tim Bradshaw
2011-02-27 21:02                                     ` Cthun
2011-02-27 21:12                                       ` David Kastrup
2011-02-27 22:02                                         ` Cthun
2011-02-28  3:51                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-28  9:53                                             ` David Kastrup
2011-02-28 18:04                                               ` Cthun
2011-02-28 19:03                                                 ` Eric Abrahamsen
     [not found]                                                 ` <mailman.2.1298919859.18999.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-02-28 19:41                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-02-28 20:04                                                 ` David Kastrup
2011-03-01  0:06                                                   ` Cthun
2011-03-01  0:14                                                     ` TheFlyingDutchman
2011-03-01  0:16                                                       ` Cthun
2011-03-01  0:28                                                         ` TheFlyingDutchman
2011-03-01  1:49                                                           ` Sean Sieger
2011-03-01  9:27                                                     ` David Kastrup
2011-03-01 13:52                                                       ` Cthun
2011-03-01 22:51                                                         ` TheFlyingDutchman
2011-03-01 23:43                                                           ` Cthun
2011-03-02  8:22                                                             ` David Kastrup
2011-03-02 14:33                                                               ` Cthun
2011-03-02 21:51                                                                 ` Cthun-bot discussion TheFlyingDutchman
2011-03-02 22:20                                                                   ` Cthun
2011-03-02 23:54                                                                     ` TheFlyingDutchman
2011-03-03  0:05                                                                       ` What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs? Cthun
2011-03-03  0:06                                                                         ` Jason Earl
2011-03-03  0:12                                                                           ` Cthun
2011-03-03 10:04                                                                           ` Marco Antoniotti
2011-03-03 10:21                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2011-03-03 13:43                                                                               ` Cthun
2011-03-03 13:42                                                                             ` Cthun
2011-03-02  8:39                                                             ` Cthun-bot discussion TheFlyingDutchman
2011-03-02 14:35                                                               ` What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs? Cthun
2011-03-01 12:57                                                     ` Antony
2011-02-28 18:02                                             ` Cthun
2011-02-27 16:05                             ` Perry Smith
2011-02-27 17:22                               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2011-02-27 18:16                                 ` Joe Riel
2011-02-27 23:17                               ` PJ Weisberg
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.8.1298827366.31652.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-02-28  3:58                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-28  4:37                                   ` rusi
2011-02-28 23:31                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-01  2:43                                       ` rusi
2011-02-28 19:41                                   ` Uday Reddy
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.3.1298822767.31652.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-02-27 17:11                               ` rusi
2011-02-27 20:52                         ` Tim Bradshaw
2011-02-27 20:59                           ` Cthun
2011-02-27  0:08                     ` Tim Bradshaw
2011-02-27  6:21                       ` Cthun
2011-02-28 11:38                     ` Jim Janney
2011-02-28 12:45                       ` Petter Gustad
2011-02-28 18:11                       ` Cthun
2011-03-01  4:32                         ` Jim Janney
2011-03-01  6:18                           ` rusi
2011-03-01 14:09                             ` Cthun
2011-03-01 14:05                           ` Cthun
2011-03-01 14:21                             ` Mario Lassnig
2011-03-01 15:02                               ` Cthun
2011-03-01 15:06                                 ` rusi
2011-03-01 15:07                                   ` Cthun
2011-03-01 15:26                                     ` David Kastrup
2011-03-01 16:43                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-03-01 21:20                                       ` Cthun
2011-03-01 21:24                                         ` TheFlyingDutchman
2011-03-01 21:33                                           ` Cthun
2011-03-01 22:17                                             ` TheFlyingDutchman
2011-03-01 23:25                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-03-01 15:12                                 ` Mario Lassnig
2011-03-01 21:21                                   ` Cthun
2011-03-01 21:23                                     ` TheFlyingDutchman
2011-03-02  8:11                                     ` Mario Lassnig
2011-03-02 15:05                                       ` Cthun
2011-03-10 22:56                                     ` Susan Calvin
2011-03-11  0:07                                       ` Cthun
2011-03-01 14:31                             ` David Kastrup
2011-03-01 15:06                               ` Cthun
2011-03-01 17:39                             ` Jim Janney
2011-03-01 21:30                               ` Cthun
2011-03-01 22:19                                 ` TheFlyingDutchman
2011-03-01 22:37                                   ` Cthun
2011-03-01 22:47                                     ` TheFlyingDutchman
2011-03-01 23:46                                       ` Cthun
2011-03-02  0:02                                         ` Cthun-bot discussion TheFlyingDutchman
2011-03-02  1:17                                           ` PJ Weisberg
2011-03-02 15:08                                           ` What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs? Cthun
2011-03-02  5:52                                         ` Bot Tester
2011-03-02  8:42                                         ` Cthun-bot discussion TheFlyingDutchman
2011-03-02 15:10                                           ` What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs? Cthun
2011-03-02 15:54                                             ` Bastien
2011-03-04  0:52                                           ` Cthun-bot discussion Peter Keller
2011-03-04  2:43                                             ` Cthun
2011-03-04  5:55                                             ` TheFlyingDutchman
2011-03-04 18:00                                               ` What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs? Cthun
2011-03-04 21:31                                                 ` Cthun-bot discussion TheFlyingDutchman
2011-03-05  8:39                                                   ` David Kastrup
2011-03-02  0:36                                 ` What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs? Jim Janney
2011-03-02 15:06                                   ` Cthun
2011-03-02 19:52                                     ` Jim Janney
2011-03-02 20:01                                       ` Cthun
2011-03-02  1:00                                 ` What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature of Emacs? Steve
2011-03-02  5:34                                   ` PJ Weisberg
2011-02-23  7:01               ` What's your favourite *under_publicized* editing feature ofEmacs? Alan Mackenzie
2011-02-28 12:42           ` Sean Sieger
     [not found]           ` <mailman.6.1298896994.11648.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-02-28 14:16             ` David Kastrup
2011-02-28 14:47               ` Sean Sieger

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