From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: c/c++ project management and debugging Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:49:41 +0100 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <4D0F4058.6050101@gmail.com> <038dfa58-3e80-4c49-bbd0-c1bbb16c41f1@j25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> <0d3b97e2-c21c-4a83-a8dc-1ba186a5a405@m11g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> <87k4j2x0n3.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87d3ottiyp.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87k4iclxye.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1294670434 14397 80.91.229.12 (10 Jan 2011 14:40:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:40:34 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 10 15:40:30 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PcIv7-0004pb-Lc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:40:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36840 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PcIv4-0002PO-J1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:40:26 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!uio.no!quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 31 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.183.18.158 Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1294667381 10727 85.183.18.158 (10 Jan 2011 13:49:41 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:49:41 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:184178 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:78360 Archived-At: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" writes: > Richard Riley writes: > >> I'm no eclipse fan but I dont recall it being slow in anything other >> than start up : typical for a Java app but on a modern machine the >> facilities it brings to programming with complex class hierarchies >> certainly offsets that. Emacs cant come close to it for many commonplace >> requirements these days (I wont list them again and am aware most Emacs >> users, myself included, dont really need or want these things). > > Indeed. The problem might not be eclipse, but the need for eclipse. > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/fc76ebab1cb2f863 It's frequently the case that people who dont have something spend a lot of time explaining why they think they dont need it or, and worse, telling others why they dont need something. Only later when they get it do they realise they had been slightly intransigent and possibly even closed minded : I know I pooh poohed eclipse for ages until I saw what it could do. It's always worth considering why something exists : invariably because people wanted and needed it. All that said, as I mentioned before, the benefits of Emacs overrides the benefits of Eclipse in most cases - for me. And thats because I live in org-mode and gnus pretty much. And erc... and ....