From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Raffael Cavallaro Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to improve the readability of (any) LISP or any highlevel functional language to the level of FORTH ? Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 10:43:37 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <80ceeca0-1d32-47d1-ba96-feb4d9729c3a@v17g2000yqv.googlegroups.com> <87pqsgk8v9.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <1fdef538-9257-4ff6-9f5b-c96883349f07@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <87zkrhfape.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1294172399 3899 80.91.229.12 (4 Jan 2011 20:19:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:19:59 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 04 21:19:55 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PaDME-0002Oi-BI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:19:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49352 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PaCyM-00017H-Vf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:55:11 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!newsserver.news.garr.it!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!feeder.news-service.com!feeder.news-service.com!85.214.198.2.MISMATCH!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp, comp.lang.prolog, comp.lang.functional, gnu.emacs.help, comp.lang.forth Original-Lines: 25 Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="OqZeb/FEeAui5NO49+/m5g"; logging-data="10656"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18kJAi0i6sSzB1LbOOKkji5/2rOpd/0cuRwdYcOM5k3Yw==" User-Agent: Unison/2.1.3 Cancel-Lock: sha1:/VpPHQybVLm1JK69RI+cHddDCzM= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu comp.lang.lisp:297251 comp.lang.prolog:44037 comp.lang.functional:69111 gnu.emacs.help:183974 comp.lang.forth:160334 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:54:22 -0500 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:78184 Archived-At: On 2011-01-04 01:24:13 -0500, Pascal J. Bourguignon said: > I saw no explanation, only the statements that he "found Common Lisp > unsuitable as a distribution platform." He also says he likes Mac OS X so maybe he was looking for a native Mac OS X distribution option. Unless he was writing about a very recent experience, the best free option, Clozure CL64/32, was not yet mature enough that many would want to use it to distribute an application (imho it is now). The other option for native Mac apps has been available for years - LispWorks - but it is not free. Never underestimate people's ability to allow the desire for a no-cost solution to override better judgement. Clearly, he thinks lisp is superior; he thinks Mac OS X is superior; until recently, you had to pay to distribute this combination in a native app using a mature implementation and IDE. warmest regards, Ralph -- Raffael Cavallaro