From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: No automatic tabs in Emacs? Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 13:15:07 +0100 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <4CF6BAEC.2070400@gmail.com> <6d104acb-b2b8-419a-b30d-c1db0474386c@m35g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291957124 13498 80.91.229.12 (10 Dec 2010 04:58:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 04:58:44 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 10 05:58:40 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQv42-0006rB-Mj for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 05:58:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55217 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQuz6-0001DI-3m for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 23:53:32 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!uio.no!quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 21 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.183.18.158 Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1291637707 32500 85.183.18.158 (6 Dec 2010 12:15:07 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:15:07 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:182919 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 20:23:38 -0500 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:77345 Archived-At: Miles Bader writes: > Elena writes: >> Nowadays, every code monkey using an IDE will draw circles >> around you while you fight to develop software by using Emacs. > > This seems unlikely. There are certainly situations where typical IDE > features are useful, but I've not observed any real difference in > productivity between those who use them and those who don't (we've got > both types here). The difference seems largely on the level of "emacs > vs vi": people are most productive using tools and processes they're > used to; the actual details are less important. > > -Miles Complex third party code libraries being common place things like context help, parameter expansion, code completion and at a click example code are pretty much a must have. Having these things is a huge boost for many people. It would be a pretty hardened developer who could program Java, for example, in emacs having experience the helper facilities in Eclipse (which is a monster it has to be said ;)).