From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: despen@verizon.net Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Rapidly navigating buffers using search Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 16:42:15 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <20100707064305.GF31621@groll.co.za> <20100707080139.GA18906@groll.co.za> <9dc07ed9-f6f1-4ac5-949a-5b97368cc32a@n19g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <87mxu22rbc.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291844857 13590 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 21:47:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 21:47:37 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 22:47:33 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQRrH-0003fG-Kr for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:47:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43552 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQRrH-0001CF-1b for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:47:31 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-2.dfn.de!news.dfn.de!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs Original-Lines: 48 Injection-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 20:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx01.eternal-september.org; posting-host="zonOWvH8iMOSVG4S2eKuOA"; logging-data="25166"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+T/ozKD15yzIEJaqiNHenLML3briuIVMI=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ipWjX5VwQfVhBbTx6xt2utoKf/M= sha1:WS0C/Kp7Qxz4kbAVZ8Fbc+2wvfo= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:179632 comp.emacs:100164 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:76074 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > despen@verizon.net writes: > >> Xah Lee writes: >> >>> On Jul 7, 3:25 am, Jonathan Groll wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks, this is something that I didn't realised until now, and have >>>> been using emacs for a couple of years... and it is right there in the >>>> manual under "basics of incremental search" too. >>> >>> same here. I started to use emacs daily since 1998, and i didn't >>> realize that Enter will exit the search and leave the cursor at the >>> current location untill 2007 or so. I've always just used left/right >>> arrow. (and a year or two later, i also found out that it is right in >>> the manual. These happened only when i started to get more involved >>> in writing a emacs tutorial) >>> >>> this situation of us using emacs for 5 or 10 years and often found >>> something basics we don't know about. I think that means there's >>> something wrong with the manual. >> >> There's nothing wrong with the manual. >> That makes no sense, you just said the information is in the manual. > > I think the point was that the manual was not deficient concerning the > information it provides, but in not making Xah Lee want to read it. Well, he should say what he means. :) > In a way, it is a losing battle. Many people will get to a level of proficiency and stop being curious. I don't see a big problem, if they don't want to be power users, so be it. I think it's usually the same people that say they don't have enough time to learn new things. There are so many ways to access the "excellent manual" that it's almost ridiculous. One can type "^s ^h m" and get a whole lot of good info on isearch. Some people will realize that they've got a whole screen full of information and they should periodically go back and read it again because the whole thing is not going to sink in at once.