From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Espen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs: Problems of the Scratch Buffer Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:15:20 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <1bqkr.13803$mL3.9455@newsfe23.iad> <5Yxkr.15011$bU5.6213@newsfe04.iad> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1335025216 15620 80.91.229.3 (21 Apr 2012 16:20:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:20:16 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 21 18:20:15 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SLd2k-0004wU-3U for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:20:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49130 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SLd2j-0006s0-9V for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:20:13 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 32 Injection-Info: mx04.eternal-september.org; posting-host="r1I8FMucvIpl17p2khJImw"; logging-data="28261"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/nBVCmuuu6nupN8fGhI8mqcMLqzj7PA3o=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:wexenR68dIGcH24oCy/NcpUjQh4= sha1:44pYFZJ302ivGb/qMiDIlS4Sr7w= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:192157 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:84572 Archived-At: Chiron writes: > On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:10:48 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >>> From: Chiron Date: Sat, >>> 21 Apr 2012 12:43:45 GMT >>> >>> In what way do the maintainers of emacs benefit from having more users? >> >> If you ever maintained a package that others used, you must know that >> satisfying your users is a very powerful incentive. Frankly, I'm >> surprised to see this question asked at all. > > Well, I'm just going by the behavior of the current maintainers. They > aren't making the changes that people seem to want You're making that up right? Every one of the maintainers works on something someone wants. With a little reflection on your part, you'll understand why this is a truism. Xah has a point, users and especially new users stumble on the scratch buffer. All Emacs asks is that it's users be smart enough to read the little blurb there and ignore the buffer. But so far, I don't see a lot of people coming up with good alternative designs. At least the mention of lisp in the blurb gives new users an idea what language they need to use to modify things. -- Dan Espen