From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: despen@verizon.net Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: line-move-visual Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:44:02 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <87pr07qjio.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <878w6vq7ew.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <871vcmhq79.fsf@wivenhoe.ul.ie> <580d5f23-e251-483f-9752-7e77b1ca2fb7@40g2000pry.googlegroups.com> <2a7dc148-e2cc-4681-9d8c-ccd1140aa6d7@j36g2000prj.googlegroups.com> <089883ee-0a63-4cb4-a0ec-d2fe4e71cc03@y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <87wruco5yq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87wrubfd8p.fsf@rapttech.com.au> <848w6ndwn0.fsf@cs.bham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291831222 8666 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 18:00:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:00:22 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 19:00:16 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQOJK-00038q-T5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 19:00:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43686 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQOJK-0003GB-Cv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 13:00:14 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!news2.euro.net!feeder.news-service.com!85.214.198.2.MISMATCH!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp Original-Lines: 25 Injection-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx03.eternal-september.org; posting-host="zonOWvH8iMOSVG4S2eKuOA"; logging-data="19075"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18UFnmGqnHaP+1E2XM1aMb/GlS3qtwzb5k=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:6MUSN8evriJ7rU7ibEu4ZPYH1sw= sha1:2vMUplCURC2mzk61+HuMMK6nBEk= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178801 comp.emacs:99975 comp.lang.lisp:288905 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:75749 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> The thinking behind the line-move-visual decision went something like >> this. If C-n moves by logical lines then the new users would be >> confused. If it moves by visual lines then the experienced users would >> be bothered. But we have a flag whereby experienced users can revert to >> the old behavior. The new users won't know enough to set a flag. So, >> let us go with the default that helps out the new users. See this >> thread for example: > > Choosing defaults is very difficult indeed. You can never please > everyone. In this specific case, I'm the main guy to blame: Good, then I have something to contribute to this thread. Nice work and I support the idea of making this a default. For me, it was easy to spot the new behavior, and I assumed I would find a description and override in the NEWS file. So far I've found no reason to do so. I hope the complainers get a full refund of all the money they paid for your hard work and nothing else.