From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glen Stark Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What's an even easier explanation how to setup gnus ... Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:49:02 GMT Organization: EasyNews, UseNet made Easy! Message-ID: References: <5i61va9u7p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1377683415 9123 80.91.229.3 (28 Aug 2013 09:50:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:50:15 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 28 11:50:18 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VEcOI-0001RW-3H for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:50:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33124 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VEcOH-0000xD-M0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 05:50:17 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!news.alt.net!news-in-01.newsfeed.easynews.com!easynews!core-easynews-01!easynews.com!en-nntp-07.am2.easynews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) Original-Lines: 37 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynews.com X-Complaints-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. X-Received-Bytes: 2769 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:200867 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93135 Archived-At: On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:41:51 +0200, Thorsten Jolitz wrote: >>> ,------------------------------------------------------------------- | >>> Buy some Apple product, e.g. an iPad, and never ever touch Emacs nor >>> Gnus. >>> `------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Please do not promote proprietary software on gnu.* newsgroups. > > I did not mean to promote proprietary software, I just reported some > empirical evidence from real life: I witnessed first hand how this > famous fancy proprietary hardware/software product was adapted by a > group of 70+ year old people that never had anything to do with > computers, and how it spread joy and excitement among them, how they > told all their friends and family members who all bought it too, and how > quick this flat fancy tablet made them part of the modern world of > communication and information. Thats REAL usability, proprietary or not. I feel compelled to point out that your original post did not report any evidence for anything, it gave facetious advice. Your advice was to recommend the use of non-free software to people over free-software. This is the very definition of promoting proprietary software. While you are free to do this, it's pretty rude to do so on a gnu.* newsgroup, as Stefan pointed out. In your justification for your post you related an anecdote, which might qualify as anecdotal evidence, but certainly doesn't qualify as empirical evidence. None of which is at all relevant to either the question posed in the original post, nor to the purpose of the gnu.* newsgroups which is (indirectly) to make the modern world a little more free, not bring more people into an unfree world. -- Glen Stark, Human Being