bug#10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q'

bug#10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q'

[Drew Adams]

I don't claim this is a bug - you decide.
 
emacs -Q
 
C-h f psetq    ;; Not recognized
 
M-x load-library cl RET
 
C-h f psetq    ;; says it is autoloaded
 
This is likely true of other such macros as well.
 

In GNU Emacs 24.0.94.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
 of 2012-02-26 on MARVIN
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
Configured using:
 `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include'
 

bug#10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q'

[Lawrence Mitchell]

Drew Adams wrote:
> I don't claim this is a bug - you decide.

not-a-bug, as below.

> emacs -Q

> C-h f psetq    ;; Not recognized

CL symbols aren't exposed in emacs -Q without loading cl

> M-x load-library cl RET

> C-h f psetq    ;; says it is autoloaded

That's cos it is.  The autoloads for cl functions/macros are in
cl-loaddefs.el.  When you load cl.el it loads cl-loaddefs.el
autoloading additional names without loading the files
immediately.

Lawrence

-- 
Lawrence Mitchell <wence@gmx.li>

bug#10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q'

[Drew Adams]

> The autoloads for cl functions/macros are in
> cl-loaddefs.el.  When you load cl.el it loads
> cl-loaddefs.el autoloading additional names without
> loading the files immediately.

Yes, I know all that.  But thanks anyway - I probably wasn't clear enough.

My question really is, I guess, whether users should be able to get help about
such macros without first loading cl.el.

Autoloading has a couple different (but related) purposes.  One of them helps
Emacs be the self-documenting editor it claims to be.

bug#10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q'

[Glenn Morris]

> I don't claim this is a bug - you decide.

It is not.

> Autoloading has a couple different (but related) purposes. One of them
> helps Emacs be the self-documenting editor it claims to be.

This is not what the cl autoloads are for (nor should any autoload be
used for this purpose IMO).