From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Uday S Reddy Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:33:39 +0100 Message-ID: References: E65F619BF1ED4EF594C6E363871DCB53@us.oracle.com <4C3DF076.1000208@gmx.de> <8C32E8077A2247548528D6657198F388@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279182826 19676 80.91.229.12 (15 Jul 2010 08:33:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:33:46 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 15 10:33:45 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZJt2-0000Vy-K1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:33:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37232 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZJt2-0007Hl-5R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 04:33:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=38228 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZJsv-0007HR-It for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 04:33:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZJsu-0001PK-Bh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 04:33:37 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:40594) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZJsu-0001P7-6N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 04:33:36 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZJsr-0000Si-IJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:33:33 +0200 Original-Received: from cpc10-harb6-0-0-cust112.perr.cable.virginmedia.com ([92.232.137.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:33:33 +0200 Original-Received: from u.s.reddy by cpc10-harb6-0-0-cust112.perr.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:33:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc10-harb6-0-0-cust112.perr.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.4) Gecko/20100608 Thunderbird/3.1 In-Reply-To: <8C32E8077A2247548528D6657198F388@us.oracle.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127330 Archived-At: On 7/14/2010 7:05 PM, Drew Adams wrote: > Dragging is a kind of scrolling. If you say so! But you have a useful idea there. If we make aliases drag-up and drag-down for scroll-up and scroll-down, I suppose everybody can be happy. > The point is that both points of view can be useful and both are used. The > wikipedia page for Scrolling refers to both in its very first paragraph: I suppose you have clearly made the point that "scrolling" is not precise enough a word to hang our coats on. It is better to focus on "up" and "down" and see if they are human-centered. According to you, the human user identifies with the document being edited and, therefore, scrolling "up" feels perfectly natural for moving up. I think you would be in a minority if you think this way. It feels strange to most of us. For the vast majority of Emacs users, these names don't matter an inch because they use the key bindings. Neither for me. But, when I started using speech recognition, I had to vocalize the commands, and I really couldn't bring myself to say "scroll up" when I wanted to move down the document. So, I defined a voice command "page down" for scroll-up and, when I found it hard on my voice, just called it "scroll down". Cheers, Uday