From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Uday S Reddy Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: line-move-visual Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:42:30 +0100 Organization: Janet Usenet Reading Service. Message-ID: References: <089883ee-0a63-4cb4-a0ec-d2fe4e71cc03@y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <87wruco5yq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87wrubfd8p.fsf@rapttech.com.au> <848w6ndwn0.fsf@cs.bham.ac.uk> <87d3vx5cku.fsf@gmail.com> <87bpbcrdk5.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291842134 32507 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 21:02:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 21:02:14 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 22:02:10 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQR7L-0002jH-6I for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:02:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37059 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQR6x-0002k2-Le for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:59:39 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!news2.euro.net!xlned.com!feeder3.xlned.com!feeder.news-service.com!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!feed4.jnfs.ja.net!feed2.jnfs.ja.net!jnfs.ja.net!times.reader.netnews.ja.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp Original-Lines: 29 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: gromit.cs.bham.ac.uk Original-X-Trace: north.jnrs.ja.net 1276591356 28120 147.188.193.16 (15 Jun 2010 08:42:36 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@north.jnrs.ja.net Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 08:42:36 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 In-Reply-To: <87bpbcrdk5.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178949 comp.emacs:100043 comp.lang.lisp:289184 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:76001 Archived-At: On 6/15/2010 7:54 AM, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote: > > Well, C-f C-n is all you need. I mean, keep C-f pressed until the > cursor reaches the column you want, you don't even need to count > 76. And keep C-n pressed until the cursor reaches the line you want. Except that pressing control-key for that long with your pinky is a health risk! But I feel this discussion is tangential. Most of us accept that visual line movement is a /good/ idea and we find it useful in lots of contexts. We are grateful for Stefan & co for thinking of it and implementing it. The question is really whether it should have been made the default. Every time I narrowed down to that issue in this thread, the participants have fallen silent (first Xah Lee then Tim Cross, Alan Mackenzie and Stefan himself). I guess there is no good answer to it. There is no need for us to beat a dead horse. If the developers accept that it is a bad idea to introduce backward-incompatible changes for flimsy reasons, Emacs will be a more useful system for all of us than it currently is. Fortunately, nothing major is going to fall apart as a result of `next-line' changing its meaning. But I hope that we can arrest this trend right here so that we don't have to put up with more pain in future. Cheers, Uday