From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: line-move-visual Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Organization: muc.de e.V. Message-ID: References: <87wruco5yq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87wrubfd8p.fsf@rapttech.com.au> <848w6ndwn0.fsf@cs.bham.ac.uk> <87d3vx5cku.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291842067 32187 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 21:01:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 21:01:07 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 22:01:00 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQR8E-0001vg-1L for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:01:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37847 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQR2z-0000fw-TL for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:55:34 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin3!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.tu-darmstadt.de!news.muc.de!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp Original-Lines: 31 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.muc.de Original-X-Trace: colin2.muc.de 1276535774 52200 2001:608:1000::2 (14 Jun 2010 17:16:14 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: news-admin@muc.de Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:16:14 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-RELEASE (i386)) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178932 comp.emacs:100026 comp.lang.lisp:289138 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:75996 Archived-At: In comp.emacs Uday S Reddy wrote: > Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> It's far from obvious that this change (line-visual-mode being set) is >> a Bad Thing. Without it, moving around things like log files with 300 >> character lines was an utter pain. I'd suggest it was more of a pain >> than the one you're suffering, because it hit users using Emacs in its >> principal way of working, rather than in special cases in some obscure >> feature (keyboard macros). > If line-move-visual was nil by default, would you have been able to set > it to t in order to move around the log files? WADR, that's a silly question. This entire thread has been solely about default settings, as are many discussions on the devlopers' mailing list. However, the fact is that I didn't actually set line-visual-mode in any Emacs before 23. That suggests I either wasn't aware of this setting, or the pain it caused me, whilst real, didn't cross some sort of (fairly high) threshold. I honestly can't remember any more. When using Emacs as a full screen editor (how it's used most of the time), a key binding is needed to go to the next/previous visual line. Using C-p/C-n (or /) seems as good a choice as any. > Cheers, > Uday -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).