From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Uday S Reddy Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: line-move-visual Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:32:38 +0100 Organization: Janet Usenet Reading Service. Message-ID: References: <878w6vq7ew.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <871vcmhq79.fsf@wivenhoe.ul.ie> <580d5f23-e251-483f-9752-7e77b1ca2fb7@40g2000pry.googlegroups.com> <2a7dc148-e2cc-4681-9d8c-ccd1140aa6d7@j36g2000prj.googlegroups.com> <089883ee-0a63-4cb4-a0ec-d2fe4e71cc03@y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <87wruco5yq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87wrubfd8p.fsf@rapttech.com.au> <848w6ndwn0.fsf@cs.bham.ac.uk> <87y6ekevet.fsf@rapttech.com.au> <87bpbgq32f.fsf@unm.edu> <87hbl857xp.fsf@kzsu.stanford.edu> <87pqzvd7yx.fsf@rapttech.com.au> <87bpbfw6he.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291834442 25281 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 18:54:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:54:02 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 19:53:58 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQP9D-00009D-ST for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 19:53:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53534 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQP9D-0006v9-Bn for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 13:53:51 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!news2.euro.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!feed4.jnfs.ja.net!feed2.jnfs.ja.net!jnfs.ja.net!times.reader.netnews.ja.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 27 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: gromit.cs.bham.ac.uk Original-X-Trace: north.jnrs.ja.net 1276428758 4059 147.188.193.16 (13 Jun 2010 11:32:38 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@north.jnrs.ja.net Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 11:32:38 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 In-Reply-To: <87bpbfw6he.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178899 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:75832 Archived-At: On 6/13/2010 11:51 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > > If you want some response from the developers, the right way is to talk > with them like normal human beings would rather than trying to view them > as laboratory rats and discuss your findings about their reactions with > other superior life forms. > > If you have questions about the intent behind a post of Stefan, the > person to ask is Stefan. Hmm. A bit unfair, but good point. I will. > The question is not how to manipulate Emacs developers into doing things > the way you'd like them to do. The question is how to argue against the > priorities and reasons (readily accessible in the developer list > archives) that lead to the current decision, and come up with additional > data that may shift the balance. Ok, I have indicated how the change to the semantics of `next-line' affects VM and perhaps other similar packages. Mark, if you are still around, can you tell us how it affects you? Why kind of users do you have and why can't set line-move-visual to nil? Cheers, Uday