Re: Need help installing NTemacs -- no evident README or INSTALL file

[dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs)]

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In article <7edd3618-2f6f-4b64-afe2-b2e162eeb7ea@o8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
Xah Lee  <xahlee@gmail.com> wrote:
>not sure you specifically want NTEmacs or if other emacs distro on
>Windows is fine.
>
>if you don't particularly care about a specific distro, here's few i
>know that works well for me:
>
>• official GNU Emacs build for Windows.
>http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/
>just download, unzip, and use right there.
>No installation step needed.
>
>• EmacsW32+Eamcs
>http://www.ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html
>download the patched version.
>Then, run the installer.
>
>• ErgoEmacs
>http://ergoemacs.org/
>download and run the installer.
>(disclaimer: me and David Capello made this one)
>
>you shouldn't worry about downloading multiple version of emacs that
>might interfere with each other. I have all the above three installed.

How did you do this so that the eg lisp directories all mash
into one?

Does you scheme ask for a place to place all the data files, etc?

And where does the exe file end up living?

Please say a bit more about how you keep things separated.

Thanks!


>
>as to what tricks might impress a new emacs user, maybe these pages
>are good ideas for you to pick from:
>
>http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/tour/
>http://xahlee.org/emacs/emacs_fun.html
>
>  Xah
>∑ http://xahlee.org/
>
>☄
>

And please someone look at this "NTemacs" -- how does it differ
from this emacs<32> versions you two are talking about?  Could they
perhaps be one and the same?

I recall from last summer downloading cygwin, and checking "emacs" as
one of the programs to include along with it.  When I ran it,
it was emacs all right, but it came up in only that small black
and white "dos window", miserable.  Whereas this NTemacs would expand
to the entire screen, full colors, seemingly identical to what
I had on my Sunblade-100.

I'm sort of surprised that no one seems to have heard of this thing,
ntemacs.  Someone, please, have a look at it, tell us all what
you think.  It is version 23.0.0.1, nice and new.

Thanks!

David


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>On May 5, 10:18 pm, dkco...@panix.com (David Combs) wrote:
>> A friend wants to install ntemacs on xp, and we're
>> not sure just how to do it.
>>
>> (I already have it, also on xp, but I sure don't want
>> to try doing it here, and screwing up the one I have
>> already got.)
>>
>> Anyway, here's the ntemacs home-page:
>>
>> -------------- this page is at:  http://ntemacs.sourceforge.net/
>>
>>  ntemacs
>> Emacs CVS for W32
>> (A SourceForge Project)
>>
>> Screenshot of ntemacs on Windows 7
>>
>> CAUTION: Unofficial builds
>> Downloads  - [7z SFX]
>>
>>     * CVS Emacs binary [23.1.50.1] -  ntemacs23-bin-20090923.exe [md5sum: b1b5c33eea980127cf550e7f0f111e15]
>>     * CVS Emacs source [23.1.50.1] -  ntemacs23-src-20090923.exe [md5sum: 0655b73ecad2f365bc24e2492e45266b]
>>
>> Steel Bank Common Lisp
>>
>>     * SBCL release binary [1.0.32] -  sbcl-1.0.32-x86-windows-binary.msi [md5sum: 3d2fba2ae0c513a0ef912a862caee21b]
>>     * SBCL release source [1.0.32] -  sbcl-1.0.32-source.tar.bz2         [md5sum: 95e1f683e307fa4cbf053db37fbd1456]
>>
>> Last updated: Oct 27, 2009
>>
>> Now, he's downloaded both of those .exe-files -- says they ended up in
>> /downloads ok.  But there are no instructions of what to do from
>> then on.
>>
>> (I am not at his site -- this is all by telephone conversation.)
>>
>> I myself am not a windows person, and don't quite understand
>> these .exe files -- some kind of self-executing wrapper around
>> what I (on solaris) would think of as xyz.tar.bz2 that
>> I'd explode into a whole tree of files.
>>
>> But, as I say, I don't want to try it on this PC (xp) because
>> doing that might screw up my perfectly-working ntemacs (v23).
>>
>> (How did I install it?  I didn't -- knowing nothing about
>> windows (since '86 I've been using only Suns), someone
>> did it for me.
>>
>>  AND, the version I got installed was a few months
>>  BEFORE the October '09 date of the current ntemacs,
>>  and I recall that back then there WERE some instructions,
>>  and maybe it wasn't a single .exe-file -- a bit
>>  more straightforward to do.)
>>
>> So, any hints you can give me that I can send on to him
>> would be a real help.
>>
>> THANKS!
>>
>> David
>>
>> PS: My idea is to turn him on to emacs -- have him first
>> do the RMS tutorial (C-h t) to master cursor movements,
>> idea of a buffer, "window", and region (nope, not there,
>> I gotta teach him that one), and then blow him away
>> with dired (and dired-x), M-x occur, M-x grep (well,
>> he's gotta get cygwin too, I guess), C-x 3, follow-mode,
>> fill-individual-paragraphs, dired-do-rename-regexp, wdired,
>> doctor (of course!), emacs-wiki, desktop-save & read,
>> rectangles, picture-mode, *info*, C-h, sort-paragraphs,
>> C-x 5, defun, "interactive", toggle-truncate-lines,
>> tabify and untabify, table-capture, kbd-macros,
>> how you "live" in emacs and *shell* (and *shell1* and
>> *shell-for-helping-joe*, etc), start up emacs and just
>> keep it up for days and days,
>>
>> PLUS
>>
>> any ideas you give me to impress someone on easy to execute
>> and explain -- nifty-features that, for someone who
>> sits in front of a terminal all day long, will save
>> him a HUGE amount of time (over using ONLY vi, say).
>>
>> Idea is to show him enough to excite him about emacs,
>> to demonstrate how much time
>>
>> ... getting him interested enough to spend time learning more
>> of it, eg via *info*.
>>
>> That's the idea, anyway.
>>
>> PS2: Any way via windows to have one screen we can
>> both type into (like with the dec20 twenex-command "advise"),
>> so I can type in stuff to emacs, he can watch, then
>> try it himself, and I can say "no, no, use the X key,
>> let me show you"?
>>
>> Again, the main problem is: how to INSTALL ntemacs
>> on his xp machine.
>>
>> (Why ntemacs, why not cygwin's emacs.  Because ntemacs
>> works so much better screen-display-wise, that you
>> can't tell the difference from it and emacs on a Sun (sparc),
>> that's why.)
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> David