From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Need help installing NTemacs -- no evident README or INSTALL file Date: 6 May 2010 01:18:23 -0400 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1273157836 1654 80.91.229.12 (6 May 2010 14:57:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 14:57:16 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 06 16:57:15 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OA2Vl-0006p6-Tk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 16:57:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49150 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OA2Vk-0000bA-V2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:57:13 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 125 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com Original-X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1273123103 11440 166.84.1.1 (6 May 2010 05:18:23 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 05:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:177970 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:73502 Archived-At: A friend wants to install ntemacs on xp, and we're not sure just how to do it. (I already have it, also on xp, but I sure don't want to try doing it here, and screwing up the one I have already got.) Anyway, here's the ntemacs home-page: -------------- this page is at: http://ntemacs.sourceforge.net/ ntemacs Emacs CVS for W32 (A SourceForge Project) Screenshot of ntemacs on Windows 7 CAUTION: Unofficial builds Downloads - [7z SFX] * CVS Emacs binary [23.1.50.1] - ntemacs23-bin-20090923.exe [md5sum: b1b5c33eea980127cf550e7f0f111e15] * CVS Emacs source [23.1.50.1] - ntemacs23-src-20090923.exe [md5sum: 0655b73ecad2f365bc24e2492e45266b] Steel Bank Common Lisp * SBCL release binary [1.0.32] - sbcl-1.0.32-x86-windows-binary.msi [md5sum: 3d2fba2ae0c513a0ef912a862caee21b] * SBCL release source [1.0.32] - sbcl-1.0.32-source.tar.bz2 [md5sum: 95e1f683e307fa4cbf053db37fbd1456] Last updated: Oct 27, 2009 Now, he's downloaded both of those .exe-files -- says they ended up in /downloads ok. But there are no instructions of what to do from then on. (I am not at his site -- this is all by telephone conversation.) I myself am not a windows person, and don't quite understand these .exe files -- some kind of self-executing wrapper around what I (on solaris) would think of as xyz.tar.bz2 that I'd explode into a whole tree of files. But, as I say, I don't want to try it on this PC (xp) because doing that might screw up my perfectly-working ntemacs (v23). (How did I install it? I didn't -- knowing nothing about windows (since '86 I've been using only Suns), someone did it for me. AND, the version I got installed was a few months BEFORE the October '09 date of the current ntemacs, and I recall that back then there WERE some instructions, and maybe it wasn't a single .exe-file -- a bit more straightforward to do.) So, any hints you can give me that I can send on to him would be a real help. THANKS! David PS: My idea is to turn him on to emacs -- have him first do the RMS tutorial (C-h t) to master cursor movements, idea of a buffer, "window", and region (nope, not there, I gotta teach him that one), and then blow him away with dired (and dired-x), M-x occur, M-x grep (well, he's gotta get cygwin too, I guess), C-x 3, follow-mode, fill-individual-paragraphs, dired-do-rename-regexp, wdired, doctor (of course!), emacs-wiki, desktop-save & read, rectangles, picture-mode, *info*, C-h, sort-paragraphs, C-x 5, defun, "interactive", toggle-truncate-lines, tabify and untabify, table-capture, kbd-macros, how you "live" in emacs and *shell* (and *shell1* and *shell-for-helping-joe*, etc), start up emacs and just keep it up for days and days, PLUS any ideas you give me to impress someone on easy to execute and explain -- nifty-features that, for someone who sits in front of a terminal all day long, will save him a HUGE amount of time (over using ONLY vi, say). Idea is to show him enough to excite him about emacs, to demonstrate how much time ... getting him interested enough to spend time learning more of it, eg via *info*. That's the idea, anyway. PS2: Any way via windows to have one screen we can both type into (like with the dec20 twenex-command "advise"), so I can type in stuff to emacs, he can watch, then try it himself, and I can say "no, no, use the X key, let me show you"? Again, the main problem is: how to INSTALL ntemacs on his xp machine. (Why ntemacs, why not cygwin's emacs. Because ntemacs works so much better screen-display-wise, that you can't tell the difference from it and emacs on a Sun (sparc), that's why.) Thanks again. David