From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kevin Rodgers Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:15:23 -0600 Message-ID: References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87eijjzrkd.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> <20100317143519.GB4381@muc.de> <87vdcu39r0.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268882168 25750 80.91.229.12 (18 Mar 2010 03:16:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:16:08 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 18 04:15:49 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ns6D4-0006S1-OR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:15:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57737 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ns6D3-0001lf-Qn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:15:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ns6Cy-0001jg-ER for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:15:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37815 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ns6Cx-0001iT-0g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:15:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ns6Cv-0000j5-BC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:15:38 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:38155) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ns6Cu-0000iw-Vi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:15:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ns6Ct-0006MQ-Dn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:15:35 +0100 Original-Received: from c-71-237-24-138.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([71.237.24.138]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:15:35 +0100 Original-Received: from kevin.d.rodgers by c-71-237-24-138.hsd1.co.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:15:35 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-71-237-24-138.hsd1.co.comcast.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Macintosh/20100228) In-Reply-To: <87vdcu39r0.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122135 Archived-At: Juri Linkov wrote: >> You have misconstrued Richard's post. He went on to say that what is >> useful for newcomers isn't necessarily what they expect or "want". >> There's thus no indication there that he would support the rest of your >> argument. > > This is exactly how I understood Richard, and I think delete-selection-mode > is useful for newcomers regardless of whether this is what they expect. > >> The answer is to ask them why they want this. C-w is easy to type, as is >> . > > is not the same as C-w. doesn't clobber the kill ring > with unnecessary text. This is an important distinction. How come > a powerful editor has no key to delete the selected region without > saving it in the clipboard. Isn't that exactly what `M-x delete-region' does? BTW I've had `C-c w' bound to delete-region for years (by analogy with the default binding of `C-w' to `kill-region'), so I agree a convenient way to do that is needed. Disclaimer: I use neither transient-mark-mode nor delete-selection-mode. >> Emacs isn't about taking things for granted. It's about efficiency, >> about minimising keystrokes, about not getting in the users' way. How >> about improving the documentation/menu-settings/whatever so that these >> beginners find what they're looking for? > > I agree that it's about efficiency, and delete-selection-mode minimizes > keystrokes thus it makes faster editing. -- Kevin Rodgers Denver, Colorado, USA