From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:12:37 +0200 Message-ID: References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080714195651.GF3445@muc.de> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <48861A51.1090401@gmail.com> <4887C77C.2090109@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216941190 7119 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2008 23:13:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:13:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 25 01:13:59 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMA0T-0005dA-1q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:13:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60431 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KM9zY-0004Zh-FL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:13:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KM9zT-0004ZJ-D1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:12:55 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KM9zP-0004Ym-RZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:12:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49006 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KM9zP-0004Yd-J2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:12:51 -0400 Original-Received: from outmailhost.telefonica.net ([213.4.149.242]:54595 helo=ctsmtpout4.frontal.correo) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KM9zJ-0000Kl-DU; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:12:46 -0400 Original-Received: from K7 (83.61.145.230) by ctsmtpout4.frontal.correo (7.2.056.6) (authenticated as 981711563$telefonica.net) id 48865E0400295145; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:12:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:04:40 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (windows-nt) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101433 Archived-At: Richard M Stallman writes: > Developers programs might not have an immediate effect, but I believe > the long time aid might be much larger. > > I see no reason to think such an effect exists. Meanwhile, people > have told me that the fact that Emacs runs on Windows undercut their > ability to insist on running GNU/Linux at work. I was a Windows-only closed-source developer. NTEmacs introduced me to Free Software. So good was the experience that started to use MinGW and Cygwin. Inevitably this lead me to GNU/Linux. Today, all my software is cross-platform and my customers can use it on GNU/Linux, if they wish. I'm still a Windows closed-source developer. Changing this would mean the end of my career as computer programmer. None of my customers chose GNU/Linux, and I all can say is that this is well justified in almost all cases. However, I still keep my software "GNU/Linux-ready". NTEmacs is not slowing down my transition to GNU/Linux, because I can't (fully) go that route. NTEmacs is the responsible of me being a Free Software advocate... when Free Software makes sense. So far, the Free Software philosophy is a success when the software is targeted at hackers (Emacs, gcc, GNU/Linux servers...) and clearly inferior when targeted at "common" users. IMO, the reason is obvious: hackers does not understand the needs of common users. And when I say "inferior" or "needs" I don't mean "user experience" or "features" or "quality", I mean economics. But you need to think as a businessman to understand this. -- Oscar