From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ashton Kemerling Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Automate Emacs UI testing? Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:01:13 -0600 Message-ID: References: <831tbxn5id.fsf@gnu.org> <87oaf1bvsb.fsf@wanadoo.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447178523 4736 80.91.229.3 (10 Nov 2015 18:02:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:02:03 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 10 19:01:57 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwDEx-0004Hr-T1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 19:01:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34644 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwDEx-00023L-Ju for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 13:01:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57302) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwDEQ-0001eV-LK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 13:01:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwDEL-0006Zr-3G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 13:01:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-io0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c06::232]:36740) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwDEK-0006Zf-Vq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 13:01:17 -0500 Original-Received: by iofh3 with SMTP id h3so9163287iof.3 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:01:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3grtmwXXpH/s9ykSs2o41ofzWkmgQDri2s37zfgXz5o=; b=p7Bg7pJbRuvZa/EHJ4q37aFX8q01Lx+INjR2tNXEUytf26ksfSPwok42tiZpx9QcDK 1PdjhY0CoO6YN6ohu3QOxQwPILJW3DsJ2yPoeYq7oYJ8Ja/GtaTeL62FZkhoKKcPqSpH 6OrNPFqb4EKBzLzwlEaPYPcuuY8IBzLiYzRLSodCjIxi+MtqSRu7RvRlmmbuGPbnYNpO 4MPrcwaeJuYZ3JNMX+cOT6cNun8GV6jlPal9NpefhNXXKZPtvBWzrv0mvHGd3e3BEP1n 1CXcfMvsfwEnVxjiClTsp2200wnORF2NOhvTz2g3uSeGwN+aybyUqmq5Eu3S1jNB0ipE dcsw== X-Received: by 10.107.158.213 with SMTP id h204mr6095891ioe.129.1447178475992; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:01:15 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from lmd-akemerlin01 (chml01.drwholdings.com. [76.8.89.6]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w8sm1742827igl.0.2015.11.10.10.01.14 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:01:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:44:11 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193899 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: >>>>>> =C3=93scar Fuentes writes: > >> As Emacs has no strong test suite (automatic testing of UI is hard, so no >> cure for this on sight) neither has many resources for steady manual tes= ting >> and bug-fixing, I'm afraid that switching to the cadence model would >> deteriorate the quality of releases. > > Web developers have some pretty awesome tools for driving a UI and observ= ing > the resulting behavior. I wonder what it would take to have a framework l= ike > that for Emacs... > > John And said tools are pretty notorious for their unreliability and slowness. I've never heard of a web shop using them as anything more than a "we literally can't isolate this bug any other way" scenario tool. -- Ashton