From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Moving from Thunderbird to Emacs for mail and calendar Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:20:59 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <8763ak8rjv.fsf@fh-trier.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1255452115 21300 80.91.229.12 (13 Oct 2009 16:41:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:41:55 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 13 18:41:45 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MxkRH-00079L-Re for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:41:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40471 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MxkRH-0000Qs-8g for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:41:31 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!usenet.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!feeder.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 88 Original-X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX1+Rr1NdfN/JOjH96aRd6dfLLz/l7k/A/XN0XVYuZ0rr3KmYAC8QXpdSLXF3YBF8BteZWIgRUwjxdAbQNtBD+u8DP9OmetOzaXJwTtwauQPv1qPlWDCUReNvUfxTeIIWhcqrwZmq3KbmJg== Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@eternal-september.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:21:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/K12dE6uAHSmcvEULoctHrtgg39s7VH1w= Cancel-Lock: sha1:Jo5kL+vyzGwVdU59qpJ82CBRzHI= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:173835 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:68916 Archived-At: Jeff Clough writes: > From: Richard Riley > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:58:39 +0200 > >>> Setting up Mew was several orders of magnitude easier than setting up >>> Gnus, which I was never able to successfully do. A good part of this >> >> What part were you unable to do? Did you have it reading mail at all? > > I'm tempted to go into specifics, but I'll resist. I see a lot of Why not? If you mention specifics that did not work maybe I or others might help? > your response is of the "Gnus is great" variety, so you've obviously No. My response was of the form "well, you mention this in Mews and, well, Gnus can do that too". There is a big difference between that and "Mews sucks and Gnus rocks" :-) > had some good experiences. I didn't. Maybe if the documentation was > better I'd be using Gnus today instead of Mew. I got most of my config from a mixture of howtos and the manual. > >> It's a shame you could not get Gnus to work. There must be something >> subtle you missed. But since you could not get it to work, it's wrong to >> suggest Mews handling is better in any way. I couldn't really see >> anything in what you said that suggests, in any shape or form, that Mews >> is a better emacs MUA than Gnus. But if Mews works for you thats great. > > It's not wrong to compare what I know about Gnus to what I know about > Mew. That is true Jeff. But you didn't do that. You said you never got Gnus working. Which is a different thing. I think its hard to be objective about a MUA if you didn't actually use it as one. Or am I mistaken in your meaning? > > Where the Gnus documentation exists, it's awful. This is in direct > contrast of Mew, where I was able to look at one page of text, follow > a handful of steps and have a working MUA in less than an hour. > > Gnus also brags about the fact that all messages are treated the same, Brags? > without regard to where they came from. While this is *technically* And also not true. Using splitting on the gnus client side or subscribing to different maildirs via imap for example different messages can go to different folders all with their own customised handling/presentation/posting style. > true, a more accurate statement is that it treats all messages like > news and all folders like newsgroups. I just don't work that way. In what way? My email folders feel like email folders to me. New emails appear, I read them and then archive them or delete them. > Maybe, as with all "paradigm-ware", once you get used to how Gnus does > things it all makes sense and makes my productivity rocket skyward, > but it's more important to me that I'm reading my mail *today* in a > way that makes sense to me *now*. As I do.I think the issue would clearer if we new what it is you couldn't get working. Nothing in emacs is "really out of the box simple" IMO :-; > > These might not be points in the "Ways Mew is better than Gnus" column > for you, but they are for me. Call me old-fashioned, but not getting > a piece of software to work at all after an hour of dicking with it, > nor seeing any real progress toward making it work, is more than > enough reason to call it crap. It's certainly not "crap". But if you don't have the patience or the desire to pursue it and you're happy with Mew, then enjoy - it's still a great email client I am sure hosted by emacs. In short my email set up talks to an impa server, drags all emails in, splits them into different folders, I then use different smtp servers for sending depending on the posting style employed by that particular group. It all works very, very fast, efficiently and reliably with excellent customisation facilities. No. It's not "crap".