From: Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Moving from Thunderbird to Emacs for mail and calendar
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:59:37 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <h89fha$u0v$1@news.eternal-september.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.6339.1252539077.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
ken <gebser@mousecar.com> writes:
> On 09/09/2009 05:59 AM Sébastien Vauban wrote:
>> ken,
>>
>> ken wrote:
>>> On 09/09/2009 03:18 AM Sébastien Vauban wrote:
>>>> notbob wrote:
>>>>> On 2009-09-09, Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>> But gnus has been problemmatic for me. I have multiple email accounts which
>>> I access using imaps (running on different servers). Setting these all up
>>> and managing them is a snap with Thunderbird. On the other hand, I've spend
>>> *days* trying to get gnus to do the same and never did get them anything
>>> close to working. So I gave up. There's too many other things in my life to
>>> do.
>>
>> It's true that setting up everything takes some time. But, once it's done, you
>> can go wherever (to client sites) with your config file and get the same level
>> of functionality as you had on your first PC.
>
> That's a nice thing about text config files: you can copy them to other
> machines, save previous versions for easy testing of new functionality,
> adding another account simply by copying a block of text and changing a
> few words. Granted. That's what I like about Linux too.
>
>
>>
>> I am using Gnus for accessing the company IMAP server and different newsgroups
>> (from our provider and from Gname).
>
> I did all that years ago. As I said, the difficulty I had was setting
Year ago eh? Wow ...
> up *multiple email accounts* (like eight or nine of them), all of
> which
That many <shakes head in amazement> .. :-)
> use IMAPS (secure IMAP) and most of which use different IMAP servers and
> different SMTP servers (using TLS + something else). Tbird does all
> this easily, plus: some mail accounts have PGP keys, all different
> from
So does Gnus.
> one another of course. Incoming mail with and encryption key is
See posting-styles. .authinfo. epa.
> automatically signature-checked or decrypted, as applicable. Add to
> this folders and filters, color-coding of inbox mails (either
> automatically by ruleset or manually with a couple mouse-clicks), mail
> templates, multiple address books, searches (of course), and a lot
> more.
Yeah, if you need all that then maybe gnus is not for you since it is
tricky at times to configure.
I got some nice colour coding going though :
http://richardriley.net/projects/images/gnus_scr.png
Probably not as good as Thunderbird for sure ...
>
> Under the category of "a lot more" are the add-ins, little apps (written
> by computer Joes, Tbird outsiders who write code) that you can plug into
> Tbird for added functionality. E.g., one I use occasionally
> transliterates English characters into Cyrillic (Russian alphabet).
>
> Hey, I didn't start out this email trying to be an ad for Thunderbird.
It certainly reads that way.
> I just started talking and all this stuff came out. I almost went on a
> tangent wherein there was pseudo-code. But the more I thought about
> that pseudo-code, the more I just kept thinking: TB's got this and this
> and this and this and this. And it's pretty simple to set up and use.
> (With more than a half dozen accounts, you know I have to read and write
> a lot of email, so I can't use software that's going to slow me down.)
>
> Here's an idea (take it or leave it... just a suggestion): somebody
> should write a plug-in for Tbird so that when I write or reply to an
> email, instead of going into Tbird's editor, emacs springs up in the
> composition space. That way I get all (or a lot) of emacs' features:
I already use emacs from web forms and mailto links using mozex and
"It's all text". But thunderbird I dont know about. I would be surprised
if there was not something already. But I guess most TB users don't
really use Emacs : it's kind of a clash of cultures :-; The excellent
emacs daemon now means things like mailto from firefox are instant ..
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/MailtoHandler#toc4
> the key combos I'm so accustomed to, easy searching/replacing, abbrevs,
> paging up and down without need of the mouse, etc. That would be THE
> Killer Tbird plug-in.
>>
>>> If there's ever clear and accurate enough documentation on doing this, I
>>> might attempt it again.
>
> Then again, perhaps not. I'm liking Tbird pretty good.
>
>
>>
>> My goal is to get my .gnus file published on the Web, for helping people (the
>> same way I got helped by looking at other's config files).
>>
>> Though, I need to get my private stuff removed from this file. Not yet done.
>> Could be in a couple of weeks from now.
>
> That's great. It might not tip me back, but I'm sure a lot of other
> folks would love to have at it.
There are quite a few out there. Mine's currently a bit of a mess but
viewable here:
http://richardriley.net/projects/emacs/
>
>
>>
>>
>>> (But then, how does gnus handle html-formatted emails with images (e.g.,
>>> photos)...? PDFs?)
>>
>> Not a prob'.
>
> I actually meant "how?"... like what does emacs do with them. What do I
> have to do to read a PDF-- or Word doc (shudder)-- which comes attached
> to an email? E.g., in Tbird I double-click on the text name of the
> attachment (or together-selected attachments).
Read the manual. You can view images inline, or you can open the links
in an external viewer. There are countless possibilities.
>
>
>>
>> Inlined photos are just seeable directly in the buffers.
>
> And then if I want to forward that email containing photos...? In
> Tbird
Forward the email? Whats so special about that?
> I'd do C-l (a composition window pops with the photos in it and the
> cursor blinking in the To: field), type in the addressee(s) (Tbird does
> type-ahead... guesses the name or address or nickname of the
> addressee(s), displaying them in a drop down if I want to scroll or read
> through them and select one or more of them), then do C-Return to send.
> You can see, TB's doing a lot more work than I am when I send an
> email.
> It's like it knows what I need to do next. Well, a lot of the time it
> does. And most of the time I can let the mouse be lonely... just use
> the keyboard.
I'm not sure what you're enthusing over here. To forward an email
(containing attachments or not) is trivial and a standard gnus
function.
>
>
>>
>> The same for HTML (with emacs-w3m and the w3m browser available from Cygwin).
>> For HTML with Java inside, just K H to fire up Firefox with the mail
>> contents...
>
> :(
I'm not sure I understand why the grimace. I read most of my html emails
as "washed" html - ie the text only. HTML email is the invention of
Lucifer anyway.
>
>
>>
>> PDF are normal links. Just clicking on them opens up SumatraPDF under Windows
>> or okular under Linux.
>
> That's cool.
And very much depending on how your emacs & gnus are setup.
>
>>
>> All of that in one config file, usable under both Windows and Linux, without
>> any change. Just conditional setup.
>
> Sounds like it gets a solid B. But Tbird gets an A-.
>
>
>>
>> Seb
>>
>
> Thanks for the info. Emacs is definitely doing better things with email
> than just a few years ago.
Like what? Most of this has been in gnus for ever and day.
>
> Best,
> ken
>
>
Do try gnus. If you like emacs then you can't go wrong : it's great
having email integrated with the rest of my eamcs life : live
translations from german, spelling, org-mode links, one key google
search, w3m browsing or optionally launching an external browser,
fancy-splitting, bbdb .. i could go on.
Gnus is not for the feint of heart : but I think you'd like it if you're
willing to forget how thunderbird does it and open your mind to the Gnus
"style".
ps
I think you might have got your Thunderbird posting styles mixed
up. Weren't you John earlier? If not you sound very similar.
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2009-09-08 23:33 Moving from Thunderbird to Emacs for mail and calendar Jeff Clough
2009-09-09 2:55 ` Bastien
2009-09-09 9:45 ` Tassilo Horn
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2009-09-09 10:08 ` Torsten Mueller
2009-09-09 12:00 ` Andreas Politz
[not found] ` <mailman.6303.1252497724.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-09-09 12:40 ` Torsten Mueller
2009-09-09 15:39 ` Andreas Politz
[not found] ` <4AA7B21C.4000008@chaosphere.com>
2009-09-09 14:35 ` Bastien
2009-09-09 15:28 ` Jeff Clough
2009-09-09 22:25 ` Bastien
2009-09-09 17:55 ` Jeff Clough
[not found] ` <mailman.6308.1252506039.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-09-09 14:35 ` Richard Riley
2009-09-09 15:48 ` Jeff Clough
[not found] ` <mailman.6321.1252511354.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-09-10 5:17 ` Jason Rumney
2009-09-10 5:12 ` Jason Rumney
[not found] ` <mailman.6268.1252464957.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-09-09 3:12 ` notbob
2009-09-09 7:18 ` Sébastien Vauban
2009-09-09 8:27 ` ken
2009-09-09 10:06 ` Andreas Politz
[not found] ` <mailman.6288.1252484861.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-09-09 9:59 ` Sébastien Vauban
2009-09-09 23:31 ` ken
[not found] ` <mailman.6339.1252539077.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-09-09 23:59 ` Richard Riley [this message]
2009-10-12 12:06 ` Francis Moreau
2009-10-12 12:47 ` Jeff Clough
[not found] ` <mailman.8593.1255351673.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-10-12 12:56 ` Richard Riley
2009-10-12 13:40 ` Francis Moreau
2009-10-12 16:51 ` Richard Riley
2009-10-12 17:12 ` Andreas Politz
2009-10-13 13:29 ` Jeff Clough
[not found] ` <mailman.8683.1255440588.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-10-13 13:58 ` Richard Riley
2009-10-13 15:33 ` Jeff Clough
[not found] ` <mailman.8686.1255448028.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-10-13 16:20 ` Richard Riley
2009-10-13 17:13 ` Jeff Clough
2009-10-13 17:51 ` Memnon Anon
2009-10-13 18:17 ` Matt Lundin
[not found] ` <mailman.8690.1255454017.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-10-13 17:32 ` rustom
2009-10-13 17:40 ` Richard Riley
2009-10-13 17:35 ` Richard Riley
2009-10-13 19:31 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-10-15 19:59 ` Francis Moreau
2009-10-16 14:26 ` Richard Riley
2009-10-16 19:23 ` Francis Moreau
[not found] <mailman.6252.1252454441.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-09-13 1:06 ` Dave Täht
2009-10-12 2:11 ` Anyone gone from mutt to Emacs? was: " David Combs
2009-10-25 13:12 ` Dave Täht
2009-10-27 12:03 ` Francis Moreau
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