From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Moving from Thunderbird to Emacs for mail and calendar Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:35:03 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <4AA6E9D5.9050800@chaosphere.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1252507323 20564 80.91.229.12 (9 Sep 2009 14:42:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:42:03 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 09 16:41:56 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MlOMp-0003ti-49 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:41:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40621 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MlOMo-0000KT-Dz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:41:50 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!usenet.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!nuzba.szn.dk!pnx.dk!feeder.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 97 Original-X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX1+x+FzMbgtLr86sFlYZ4Frft0rWYX+vFfQnm78Yuq5SnDepWTdLuVJ+0+L/RRqZqOqdQ7iTIafCONcZyBXwmcwc8tf8qWIK1dzamRfZ0GCLxZ5GSAO7QDpH+7JrfvMAzB6IzZ8hlGKjPA== Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@eternal-september.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:35:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/8cHCiSfWj8oSy6SCBsJMS88Ay+so2R0w= Cancel-Lock: sha1:1ajI3Pu33CXqroIFEFouFCNDn9A= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:172858 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:67996 Archived-At: Jeff Clough writes: > Okay, I've looked at Gnus, as well as VM and have some questions. I'm > also having a weird problem in trying just to send mail from Emacs. See > below if you'd like to know more and think you can help out. I'm still > looking for any other packages people actually use for email in emacs > under windows so don't be shy! On the calendar front, I'll be giving > org-mode the once over later today. > > Thanks! > > Jeff > > P.S. > > Gnus > > I've looked at Gnus. It uses the "paradigm" of newsgroups for > everything. I'd rather not have to retrain my brain for something as > trivial as reading email, but let's just say I'm willing. Is there a Theres nothing to retrain. You see a "group" and your email is in there. No paradigm shift at all. > way to see "I do not have an NNTP server, so please don't bother me > about it anymore"? It looks like I can set a variable so that gnus will > ignore the email side of things, but I can't find something similar for > news. Just dont subscribe to any news groups. > > VM > > I've also taken a glance at VM and would like to go further, but I see > no direct evidence that it works with Emacs 22.x. Is anyone using VM > with a recent Emacs on Windows XP? > > Sending Mail > > In the process of all this looking, I decided to try to get *sending* > mail to work. I hear tell from this faq > (http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/Network-access.html) that > emacs can "talk directly to SMTP mail servers" via smtpmail.el. I > stuffed the following in my .emacs: > > (setq user-full-name "Your full name") > (setq user-mail-address "Your@email.address") > (setq smtpmail-default-smtp-server "domain.name.of.your.smtp.server") > > (setq send-mail-command 'smtpmail-send-it) ; For mail-mode (Rmail) > > > Did C-x m, wrote stuff, did C-c C-c and promptly got a Thunderbird > window popping up the message (well, actually it told me to paste the > message in because the text had been conveniently dropped on my > clipboard, thankfully obliterating what was there before). Is there a > way to stop this from happening and for Emacs to just send it itself? > "Talk directly to SMTP mail servers" doesn't mean "Fire up another > application" in my opinion. Never heard of anything like that before. Emacs doesn't launch thunderbird. > > Still looking for suggestions/experiences with other mail packages, and > am planning to give org-mode the once over later today. Thanks for > getting me pointed in the right direction! > > P.P.S. > > Before anyone seriously suggests moving to linux as a solution to my > problem (which seems dangerously near), let me just clarify something. > I'm well aware of my options in that regard and am very familiar with > all things *nixen. Switching from Windows XP to *nix for email is not > going to happen. Not at all. And I'm not interested in explaining why > I won't or listening to why I should. > > Installing, configuring and maintaining an IMAP server in order to read > and search my mail is also not going to happen. An ancient version of > Eudora on my dad's old Mac LC could let me read my mail, *and* find my > messages, without having to run such a thing. And it did it for > thousands of messages without flinching. If a piece of software here in > the modern world can't handle it, the answer is to not use that > software. Gnus is possibly the most powerful email/usenet client out there. And quite why you seem to think people would suggest you move to Linux for your email client is rather baffling. > > I prefer my mail to always be in bsd mbox files because that's still > what 90% of the world expects your mail to be in, can be manipulated by > any code that operates on text files and doesn't break when I move from > OS to OS. And speed shouldn't be a factor when your mua does proper > indexing.