From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs's popularity Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:01:04 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <2103fd36-c5cd-4e8d-a74f-34697a369934@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <87skop8cc7.fsf@iki.fi> <20081215210907.GB3848@groll.co.za> <87ljuh86il.fsf@iki.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1229391662 16754 80.91.229.12 (16 Dec 2008 01:41:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:41:02 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 16 02:42:06 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LCOwj-00021i-Cb for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:42:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50950 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCOvX-0007Vq-DW for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:40:47 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!news.k-dsl.de!news.motzarella.org!motzarella.org!usenet238.motzarella.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 64 Original-X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX188OIg8o5hP0m/HAtpP5z8dj4qxZr3+/MzxwD3hA4kcBMrRWpcWMbOJiIgPf1vv89uTvQFj4yUX1ewXjoOgs1wg0D2nUER64d6CFUmSQf/cRfA/riNwtnqd+AU+pFues6bevHgX/OO3lg== Original-X-Complaints-To: Please send complaints to abuse@motzarella.org with full headers Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:02:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19kpMubCZUjMNONx1cnxS5gsBhm5N1dXFBFoMReM1jbPw== Cancel-Lock: sha1:mw7F1HYus8/xDqdOnDoZyvPYLX8= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:165331 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:60662 Archived-At: "Lennart Borgman" writes: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:40 AM, Richard Riley wrote: >> "Lennart Borgman" writes: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Richard Riley wrote: >>> >>>>>> But Vim is not only installed; it's really used a lot. In Debian Vim has >>>>>> always been a bit more popular than Emacs but in the first half of 2007 >>>>>> Vim really got popular (around Vim 7.1 and Debian 4.0 release). This >>>>>> "used actively" graph compares vim-common, emacs21-bin-common and >>>>>> emacs22-bin-common packages: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/5thmmx >>>>> >>>>> That is a bit strange since the vi emulator Viper in Emacs is now so good. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Not strange at all Lennart, Why would someone run the Emacs OS to run >>>> emulated vim when they can run the real thing in 100th of the >>>> footprint? >>> >>> Exactly why do you think the footprint matter? >> >> Are you serious? > > Well, yes. I did not even mention that you greatly exaggerated the > footprint differences. Perception and reality are two different things. People assume Emacs is heavy. > >> Memory usage, start speed, response, and all thinks linked. > > I actually do not think those are the problem. A barebone Emacs starts > up very fast. It does. And if you use emacs -daemon and emacsclient -c almost immediately :-; > > But start up time may still be a trouble when doing small editing. Of Not really, small editing can be done with emacs -Q ... > course if you know about Emacs client/server that is not a problem in > most cases (though someone gave an example with su that would not work > in this case). A strange set up IMO. I'm still not sure why emacs can not be configured to check for a daemon/server. Having to use emacsclient to connect seems rather long winded but I'm sure there is a good reason for it. > >> And with the boom in netbooks and OSen on USB sticks, emacs finds itself >> more and more pushed into that "heavy dinosaur" category. I'm not saying >> I *agree* with it, just those are my observations. > > I checked my Emacs+EmacsW32 directory tree. It is about 160 MB. I am > planning to buy a netbook with about 160 GB disk. And hopefully 2 GB > memory. Sounds nice. Which model? I'm looking for one too. But it'll be a Linux one for sure.