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From: Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: emacs-w3m question
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:27:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <gemu97$6m7$5@registered.motzarella.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.2772.1225715774.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org

Paul R <paul.r.ml@gmail.com> writes:

> Dear Xavier,
>
> Xavier> What's more, directional keys are one of the dumbest addition
> Xavier> one could have thought off (in my opinion). The same apply for
> Xavier> numerical keypad: what are they useful for exactly ? Is it that
> Xavier> hard to press shift+& (for the azerty keyboard) to get a 1 ? Or
> Xavier> press C-b to move point left ? I do not think so.
>
> Xavier> The real reason that comes to mind is lazyness. People do not
> Xavier> want to (take time to) learn how to do things, they want to go
> Xavier> fast (even if they go fast wrongly). Keyboard (or typing more
> Xavier> generally) is just an example, there are so many other applying
> Xavier> here...
>
> This sounds sooo much like overstated elitism. You may prefer to use C-b
> and C-f and S-&, because you're so good and so l33t, this will never
> change the point : beginners don't, period. Default settings must help
> those people, who have not yet set their .emacs, to use and try the
> software and see if they like it or not.

That's pretty much as I see it too. And only recently having become
proficient enough with emacs once again I can attest to the difficulties
involved in understanding some of the more antiquated defaults which do
not take into account beginners. It takes a special kind of curmudgeon
to deny that setting the arrow keys to move the cursor the same as
virtually every other application in the world would help Emacs uptake.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-03 13:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-27 20:45 emacs-w3m question Francis Moreau
2008-10-27 21:09 ` henry atting
2008-10-27 21:36   ` Richard Riley
2008-10-28 18:40     ` Xah
2008-10-30 21:25       ` Xavier Maillard
2008-10-30 22:16         ` Paul R
2008-11-01  7:25           ` Xavier Maillard
2008-11-01 12:59             ` Paul R
     [not found]           ` <mailman.2625.1225539334.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-01 15:51             ` Richard Riley
2008-11-03 11:25               ` Xavier Maillard
2008-11-03 12:13                 ` Richard Riley
2008-11-03 23:25                   ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.2907.1225862955.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-05 13:23                     ` Xah
     [not found]       ` <mailman.2522.1225402310.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-10-30 22:38         ` Xah
2008-11-03 11:25           ` Xavier Maillard
2008-11-03 12:36             ` Paul R
2008-11-03 23:25               ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]             ` <mailman.2772.1225715774.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-03 13:27               ` Richard Riley [this message]
2008-11-04 13:19                 ` Chris McMahan
2008-11-04 14:19                   ` Richard Riley
2008-11-05  7:25                   ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]           ` <mailman.2764.1225711684.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]             ` <4d476218-bd76-4d41-8a12-1428dfba9e9b@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
2008-11-05  7:25               ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]               ` <mailman.2966.1225952942.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-06 14:31                 ` Xah
2008-11-06 16:32                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-11-06 18:12                   ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-11-07  1:22                     ` Xah
2008-11-07  3:50                       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-11-07  5:42                         ` Xah
2008-11-07  7:48                           ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-11-07  8:07                             ` Xah
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3000.1225988502.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-07  1:01                     ` Xah
2008-11-07 10:04                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-11-07 10:29                         ` Paul R
2008-11-07 23:51                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-11-08  1:14                             ` Lennart Borgman
2008-11-10 21:25                           ` Xavier Maillard
2008-11-10 21:25                         ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.3052.1226051600.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-07 17:43                         ` Xah
2008-11-08 14:36                           ` Is there anyway to save workspace so that we don't have reopen 10s of files again ? Maindoor
2008-11-08 14:56                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-08 15:09                               ` Maindoor
2008-11-08 16:11                                 ` Peter Dyballa
2008-11-08 18:24                                 ` Saving registers (was: Is there anyway to save workspace so that we don't have reopen 10s of files again ?) Reiner Steib
2008-11-08 22:25                                 ` Is there anyway to save workspace so that we don't have reopen 10s of files again ? Juanma Barranquero
2008-11-06 18:02               ` emacs-w3m question Alan Mackenzie
2008-11-07  6:24                 ` Kevin Rodgers
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3010.1225993912.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-06 20:02                 ` Rupert Swarbrick
2008-11-07  2:02                 ` Xah
2008-11-07 10:24                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-07 10:54                   ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3055.1226054611.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-07 20:10                     ` Xah
2008-11-07 20:12                     ` How to make friends. [was emacs-w3m question] Xah
2008-11-07 20:17                     ` emacs is not Microsoft Word " Xah
2008-11-10 10:11                       ` emacs is not Microsoft Word David Kastrup
2008-11-08 18:57                     ` emacs-w3m question Rupert Swarbrick
2008-11-08 21:33                       ` Xah
2008-11-09  6:26               ` Wei Weng
2008-11-09  8:55                 ` Xah
2008-11-10 21:25                   ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.21.1226352538.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-10 22:38                     ` Xah
2008-11-11 21:46                       ` Emacs command frequencies: [was: emacs-w3m question] Alan Mackenzie
2008-11-12  2:28                       ` emacs-w3m question Sean Sieger
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.106.1226439293.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-12  4:19                         ` Emacs command frequencies: [was: emacs-w3m question] Xah
2008-11-12 11:28                           ` Emacs command frequencies: Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-11-12 11:45                             ` Paul R
2008-11-12 16:50                           ` Emacs command frequencies: [was: emacs-w3m question] rgb
2008-11-13 12:47                             ` Xah
2008-11-14 14:28                               ` rgb
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.129.1226489296.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-12 12:52                             ` Emacs command frequencies: Sébastien Vauban
2008-11-12 15:59                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-11-13 14:33                               ` Xah
2008-11-13  4:07                             ` Xah
2008-11-01 13:03         ` emacs-w3m question Andreas Politz
2008-11-03 11:25           ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]           ` <mailman.2763.1225711681.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-06 16:51             ` Andreas Politz
2008-10-27 21:48 ` Andreas Politz
2008-10-28 10:50   ` Francis Moreau
2008-10-28 14:51   ` OtherMichael
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-11-01 20:25 Jon Fineman
2022-11-02 12:32 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-11-02 17:44   ` Jon Fineman
2022-11-03 11:18     ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-11-08  3:58       ` Bob Newell
2022-11-02 13:20 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-02 17:32   ` Jon Fineman
2022-11-02 18:22     ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-03 17:56     ` Bob Newell
2022-11-04  2:02       ` Jon Fineman
2022-11-06 22:49       ` Bob Newell
2022-11-07  6:08         ` Yuri Khan
2022-11-07  6:38           ` Bob Newell
2022-11-07  6:45           ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-11-07  6:59             ` Yuri Khan
2022-11-07 12:34             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-07 12:40           ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-02 22:14 ` Bob Newell

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