From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: replying to Debbugs Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:02:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20141015154039.GC3093@acm.acm> <87y4sh2rsj.fsf@gmx.de> <87bnpdxnve.fsf_-_@violet.siamics.net> <20141016092136.GB3421@acm.acm> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1413475403 23983 80.91.229.3 (16 Oct 2014 16:03:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 16 18:03:18 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XenWH-0001NB-8c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:03:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51152 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XenWG-0003B6-Jx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:03:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59101) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XenVt-00036r-T1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:02:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XenVp-0004oE-BG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:02:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:32915) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XenVp-0004o9-6i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:02:49 -0400 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XenVn-0003if-5t; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:02:47 -0400 X-Spook: number key Ruby Ridge Albania Steve Case IMF Blowfish X-Ran: .d]#O=`D2'dGjX4GxLVR]SZ_'scj-(/aZ^]7!ZaG"SW5b%ixsVhlWDb#(IsDyH.*xTMKi@ X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: <20141016092136.GB3421@acm.acm> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:21:36 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175463 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie wrote: > It is unknown how many people use it. It's totally known. I could go back and look at the bug-gnu-emacs moderation mails over the last year, but I did not save them. I stand by my statement that is is very few (if we exclude you). > How often does such a poster actually resubmit via email? The short answer is: sometimes. The longer answer is: I don't care. There are already 1000s more bugs than we can ever fix. Literally 1000s. And the number grows every day. It's documented all over the place (has been for years) how to report Emacs bugs, and it not "post to a newsgroup". Eg: https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs This list is connected (note that the connection can be unreliable) to the gnu.emacs.bug newsgroup, but please report bugs by mail, not news. Treat the newsgroup as a read-only mirror. https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Checklist.html we ask you not to post bug reports (or replies) via the newsgroup. It can make it much harder to contact you if we need to ask for more information, and it does not integrate well with the bug tracker. The cold facts are: if someone reports a bug via the newsgroup, then I would feel quite happy just ignoring them (not that I do that, as I said). Most of the time it is not a very good bug report (because they are incapable of following basic instructions). If it was truly important, somebody else will report it properly at some point. > shut down and is currently useful (no matter how little). It is not usefuul, it is harmful. The problem is http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=936 For everybody other than you, with whatever weird ISP you found, newsgroup messages do not make it into the tracker. I won't spend any more energy discussing this. Do what you like.