From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kevin Rodgers Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:20:43 -0600 Message-ID: References: <873ajzwoqu.fsf@kobe.laptop> <823901dd-c54c-4e3b-b6ad-512d52724a46@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com> <87ljxoffs6.fsf@atthis.clsnet.nl> <71208e97-140c-445d-8eda-1705f11b14b3@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com> <095ef0c0-c7f4-494d-8bf6-8a5ee43fd934@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <3c61c357-0705-4ff4-b793-fa6827415fdd@n38g2000prl.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222482077 21420 80.91.229.12 (27 Sep 2008 02:21:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:21:17 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 27 04:22:15 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KjPRj-00014l-5n for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:22:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59607 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KjPQf-0000ff-Nk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:21:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KjPQO-0000fU-SZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:20:48 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KjPQN-0000f6-8G for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:20:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51274 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KjPQN-0000f3-31 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:20:47 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:37655 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KjPQM-0007gI-6J for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:20:46 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KjPQG-0002Yq-TO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:20:40 +0000 Original-Received: from c-67-161-145-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([67.161.145.183]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:20:40 +0000 Original-Received: from kevin.d.rodgers by c-67-161-145-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:20:40 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 47 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-67-161-145-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) In-Reply-To: <3c61c357-0705-4ff4-b793-fa6827415fdd@n38g2000prl.googlegroups.com> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:58127 Archived-At: Xah wrote: > Kevin Rodgers wrote: >> Agreed. I think you should lobby the Emacs maintainers to include >> something like the switch-to-new-buffer command I proposed. But it >> does need to be enhanced to prompt for saving when it is killed. > > You can help me with it, by filing a bug report on the *scratch* > buffer, borrowing whatever part in my article you think you agree, or > perhaps completely on your own reasons. I will not file a bug report, because I don't think there is a bug to fix. I have already helped you (more than you have helped yourself) by trying to implement the features you've requested. > As you perhaps know, i've had quite few heated arguments here. This > thread is now 120 messages going to the level of “fuck you's”. About 3 > or 4 similar threads on other emacs issues has happend in the past 2 > or 3 monhs. > > I'm not getting paid to debate. And I am not getting paid to hack for you. But I continue to hack, and you continue to debate. > The several items in emacs > modernization proposals doesn't benefit me directly in any way, and it > is not likly to be incorporated into emacs anytime soon. This is the crux of the matter: If your proposals don't benefit you, then absent a chorus of actual users who _would_ benefit from them, the Emacs maintainers have no evidence that it is worth their effort to implement them. I myself have proposed several excellent improvements over the last 10 or 20 years that were not incorporated into Emacs. :-) > Instead of suggesting me to do something, why don't you do something > about it? I'm not trying to be rude, and i very much appreciate your > argument here, one of the 3 or 4 in this thread that actually are > sincere and has content, in my opinion. That is both laughable and rude. I have done far more than you to advance your proposal: I have implemented something. -- Kevin Rodgers Denver, Colorado, USA