From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Using Org as the source format to generate org.texi Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:12:05 -0400 Message-ID: References: <878tb5axms.fsf@bzg.fr> <6630c346-1b5a-d265-2b3a-05c4f7c497c6@cs.ucla.edu> <87muzk4tzs.fsf@gnu.org> <0ma7vjsrzi.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87muzh8pj1.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1520874671 14936 195.159.176.226 (12 Mar 2018 17:11:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:11:11 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) Cc: Paul Eggert , Nicolas Goaziou , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Bastien , THOMAS DYE , Carsten Dominik To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 12 18:11:07 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1evQyX-0003jt-3B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2018 18:11:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33309 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1evR0a-0004AA-2J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:13:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50650) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1evR0P-00048L-AT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:13:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1evR0O-00028t-E7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:13:01 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:33895) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1evQzW-0001cP-Mp; Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:12:06 -0400 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1evQzV-0007GO-GR; Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:12:05 -0400 X-Spook: Vickie Weaver sniper clones Noriega PET Domestic nuclear X-Ran: }RN?ucJmsq7]#oj>YfnkbGr9,_(R_zy#VE%u*!1P8`E=kJ#+$7tOJBaz.oQ?%X*v~uQm|s X-Hue: green X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: <87muzh8pj1.fsf@russet.org.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Fri, 09 Mar 2018 11:19:30 +0000") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223646 Archived-At: Phillip Lord wrote: >> Note that this will make info generation depend on the existence of >> src/emacs, when it was previously independent. > > Which would shove generation of the documentation till after dumping. I > don't know enough about make to work out whether this would be for just > org.org or for all the texi. It should just be for org. I imagine an order-only prerequisite for org.texi on src/emacs (as well as normal prerequisites on all the relevant org.el source files, sigh). >> Also, if any other manual made the same change, it would prevent >> bootstrapping Emacs without Org present (eg if the idea to include elpa >> packages in Emacs releases ever goes anywhere, and it's desired to stop >> duplicating Org in the Emacs repo; an idea which still makes complete >> sense to me). > > Confused on this one. bootstrapping needs the documentation to be complete? By "bootstrapping Emacs" I meant "building it from the Emacs repository". This includes generating the info documentation from whatever the ultimate source files are, not just creating src/(bootstrap-)emacs.