From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: M Jared Finder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New global bindings Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:39:39 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1212511207 5430 80.91.229.12 (3 Jun 2008 16:40:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:40:07 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 03 18:40:49 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K3ZZ0-0007cE-Eu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:40:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57981 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K3ZYD-00007x-Rh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:39:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K3ZY8-0008WR-LR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:39:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K3ZY7-0008Vi-WA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:39:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58947 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K3ZY7-0008VU-PW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:39:51 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:39741 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K3ZY7-00013I-1f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:39:51 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1K3ZY4-0006AF-Tc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:39:48 +0000 Original-Received: from adsl-76-200-155-41.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net ([76.200.155.41]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:39:48 +0000 Original-Received: from jared by adsl-76-200-155-41.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:39:48 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 20 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-76-200-155-41.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080420) In-Reply-To: X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:98310 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier wrote: > I have some problems with the new global bindings for C--, C-=, and C-+: > 1- they're not mentioned in etc/NEWS (it seems none of the face-remap > feature is mentioned there). > 2- (control -) was used for negative prefix arguments, so this is > a significant change for oldtimers. > 3- these are very short key-bindings for a feature that does not seem to > require them: you're unlikely to want to do it that frequently. > > Point nb 1 is easy to fix, maybe I can live with nb 3, but nb 2 seems to > be more problematic. So I think we need to find some other key-bindings > for that. I think a prefix key followed by +, -, and = (repeatable like > C-x e e e e e, maybe even allowing switching between + and -) is the > best choice. As a user, I agree very much with this sentiment. Very few editors even support C-+/C-- zooming; that's generally a viewer binding. I would be happy with C-x C-+/C-x C-- bindings. -- MJF