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From: Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is it possible to use new Emacsen with non-ASCII?
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 06:58:20 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <g18eac$kmd$1@agate.berkeley.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: bf47fc0f-3589-4da6-8a24-9d3f0f442f8b@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com

[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to
Jason Rumney 
<jasonrumney@gmail.com>], who wrote in article <bf47fc0f-3589-4da6-8a24-9d3f0f442f8b@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>:
> On May 23, 10:55 am, Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-ab...@ilyaz.org> wrote:
> 
> > However, it become harder and harder to document as "a solution"...
> 
> A solution to what?

To work around the fact that by default Emacs is only 7-bit-clean.

> It looks like a kludge that is useful to you as a
> workaround for a misconfigured system

First of all, I never in my life saw a system which was not
misconfigured (and I saw thousands).

> that does not support the locale that is appropriate for your
> terminal.

Second, no system will ever support all the possible terminal
configurations.

> Most users in such a position
> would be happy with the solution documented in the manual with hard-
> coded values for language and coding-system:

> (set-language-environment "Cyrillic-KOI8") ; From the "International"
> node in the manual
> (set-terminal-coding-system 'cyrillic-koi8)   ; From the "Terminal
> Coding" node in the manual
> (set-keyboard-coding-system 'cyrillic-koi8) ; likewise

This looks to make Emacs 8-bit-clean.  If this solution were
documented in one particular place which is easy to find, I would be
quite happy.

Unfortunately, as you saw, even Emacs developers were not able to
provide a "quite working" solution on the first (and second) try.  I
do not think this indicates an acceptable state of the docs...

So "Most users" won't be "quite happy" with Emacs in 8-bit environments...

Thanks,
Ilya


  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-24  6:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-15  0:37 Is it possible to use new Emacsen with non-ASCII? Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-15  9:24 ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-15 18:02   ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-15 19:06     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-15 19:18       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-15 19:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]         ` <mailman.11649.1210880089.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16  7:29           ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-16  8:58             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]             ` <mailman.11665.1210928327.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16 11:20               ` Ilya Zakharevich
     [not found]     ` <mailman.11643.1210878436.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16  7:24       ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-16  8:48         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-15 11:14 ` Peter Dyballa
2008-05-15 13:44 ` Joel J. Adamson
     [not found] ` <mailman.11617.1210850110.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-15 18:10   ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-15 19:11     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]     ` <mailman.11644.1210878709.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16  7:28       ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-16  8:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-16  9:27           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]           ` <mailman.11667.1210930077.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16 11:16             ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-16 11:56               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-16 12:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.11687.1210939428.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-17  0:24                   ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-17  7:26                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-19 13:40                     ` Chris McMahan
2008-05-19 18:57                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.11853.1211223527.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-20  2:33                         ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-22 20:26                   ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-22 22:09                     ` David Kastrup
2008-05-22 23:07                     ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-23  9:55                       ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-23 10:59                         ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-24  6:58                           ` Ilya Zakharevich [this message]
2008-05-24 11:10                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]               ` <mailman.11686.1210938990.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-17  0:21                 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-17  7:22                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.11744.1211008926.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-22 20:23                     ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-23  8:59                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.12090.1211533232.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-23 10:00                         ` Ilya Zakharevich
     [not found]         ` <mailman.11664.1210928215.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16 11:15           ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-16 11:50             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]             ` <mailman.11681.1210938659.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-17  0:17               ` Ilya Zakharevich

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