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From: Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is it possible to use new Emacsen with non-ASCII?
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 18:10:12 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <g0hua4$2fkn$1@agate.berkeley.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.11617.1210850110.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org

[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to
Peter Dyballa 
<Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE>], who wrote in article <mailman.11617.1210850110.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>:
> 
> Am 15.05.2008 um 02:37 schrieb Ilya Zakharevich:
> 
> > I spent (again!) a lot of time trying to teach Emacs to show 8-bit  
> > data
> > (in a TTY).

> You should use a font in this terminal emulation (or real hardware?)  
> that has these glyphs

TTY works fine.  Thanks.

> and it's best you have in the shell's  
> environment LANG or better LC_CTYPE set to a value that arranges all  
> you need. From LC_CTYPE GNU Emacs derives its "language-environment"  
> automatically.

Impossible.  locale() does not support the environment of the TTY
(even if I *know* what is this environment, and why should I?).

Yours,
Ilya

P.S.  Let me remind what is an 8-bit-safe program: I come to a TTY.
      The keyboard allows me to enter some characters (encoded as
      8-bit).  The screen is able to show glyphs for these characters.

      Given this, I can use

	    cat >> file

      to "edit" a file.  Note that I do not care in any way what is
      the encoding of these chars...  Emacs should be at least as
      "smart" as cat.

      How should one convince Emacs to be as smart as cat, and why
      this is not documented?


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-05-15 18:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-15  0:37 Is it possible to use new Emacsen with non-ASCII? Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-15  9:24 ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-15 18:02   ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-15 19:06     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-15 19:18       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-15 19:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]         ` <mailman.11649.1210880089.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16  7:29           ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-16  8:58             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]             ` <mailman.11665.1210928327.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16 11:20               ` Ilya Zakharevich
     [not found]     ` <mailman.11643.1210878436.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16  7:24       ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-16  8:48         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-15 11:14 ` Peter Dyballa
2008-05-15 13:44 ` Joel J. Adamson
     [not found] ` <mailman.11617.1210850110.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-15 18:10   ` Ilya Zakharevich [this message]
2008-05-15 19:11     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]     ` <mailman.11644.1210878709.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16  7:28       ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-16  8:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-16  9:27           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]           ` <mailman.11667.1210930077.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16 11:16             ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-16 11:56               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-16 12:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.11687.1210939428.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-17  0:24                   ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-17  7:26                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-19 13:40                     ` Chris McMahan
2008-05-19 18:57                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.11853.1211223527.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-20  2:33                         ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-22 20:26                   ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-22 22:09                     ` David Kastrup
2008-05-22 23:07                     ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-23  9:55                       ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-23 10:59                         ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-24  6:58                           ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-24 11:10                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]               ` <mailman.11686.1210938990.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-17  0:21                 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-17  7:22                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.11744.1211008926.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-22 20:23                     ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-23  8:59                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.12090.1211533232.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-23 10:00                         ` Ilya Zakharevich
     [not found]         ` <mailman.11664.1210928215.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-16 11:15           ` Ilya Zakharevich
2008-05-16 11:50             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]             ` <mailman.11681.1210938659.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-05-17  0:17               ` Ilya Zakharevich

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