From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: M Jared Finder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Transient Mark Mode on by default Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:19:53 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080324200911.GA1310@muc.de> <001e01c88dee$34267e90$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <20080324210229.GB1310@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206904817 2268 80.91.229.12 (30 Mar 2008 19:20:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:20:17 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 30 21:20:48 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jg35D-0007fy-LA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:20:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jg34b-0000PJ-Pa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:20:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jg34Y-0000Me-Fe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:20:06 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jg34X-0000MS-Rh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:20:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jg34X-0000MP-OI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:20:05 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jg34X-0007ns-EA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:20:05 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Jg34U-00067h-6r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: from adsl-76-247-47-30.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net ([76.247.47.30]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: from jared by adsl-76-247-47-30.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:20:02 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-76-247-47-30.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080109) In-Reply-To: X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93929 Archived-At: Richard Stallman wrote: > The discussion about this major incompatible change > should not be limited to the people on this list. I have introduced *many* people to Emacs and within the first day, I always hear: "How do I make Cut/Copy/Paste work like every other program?" "How do I make highlighting work like every other program?" I then tell them the answer (cua-mode), and 60% of the time they say, "Why isn't that the default, LIKE IN EVERY OTHER PROGRAM?" By then, they're noticeably pissed off and already have a bad feeling about Emacs. About 75% of the people I introduce Emacs to leave, and the only reason why is that cut/copy/paste and highlighting is very different. Their experience is otherwise positive, but this awful first impression stays with them for the rest of their days. If you want to keep users coming to Emacs to stay with Emacs, cua-mode should be on by default. -- MJF