From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jason Spiro" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: Please disable the audible bell by default, to avoid discouraging newbies in crowded offices and elsewhere Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:51:13 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: Jason Spiro , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225840227 10111 80.91.229.12 (4 Nov 2008 23:10:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:10:27 +0000 (UTC) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 05 00:11:29 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KxV3U-0001Ln-T8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=cW+ZrG7BuXesMINVOoUR7u2I054l3qCI9GVofz6jQ/DWI4Jd7WBq4STyaCrJ2puAk2 a7X1YO06CXc+e2LGnSaixm/VthoFORVMGxcuYqghEgPDxqFtKOxhyC5TJEb0AFgWEGRg FmT+t9tJeB88Aj33JTxYhz4SbgPmX3749mq58= Original-Received: by 10.65.54.9 with SMTP id g9mr199689qbk.55.1225839073052; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:51:13 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.65.81.20 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:51:12 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:10:12 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:22168 Archived-At: By default, Emacs makes an audible beep every time the user makes an error. It would be great if you could please change the default either: 1. To not make any audible or visible bell when the user makes an error. (This would be best.) 2. Or to use a visible bell only. (This would be an acceptable alternative. Plus, Emacs already knows how to show a visible bell.) If you do not change the default, some Emacs newbies may decide not to use Emacs, but to use other editors instead, perhaps non-Free ones. Here are three reasons why they may decide that: A. Some users find that the beep is harsh and unpleasant to the ear. B. Most apps beep only when something very bad happens. But Emacs beeps even upon minor mistakes like scrolling past end of buffer, or pressing an unassigned key. It even beeps on non-mistakes like pressing C-g. The amount of beeping may make users uncomfortable. C. Some Emacs newbies try Emacs for the first time at the office. At the office, ten or more people may hear each beep. The feeling of having distracted coworkers may make users even more uncomfortable. You might say, "So newbies should disable the beep themselves". No. They may not bother. You might say, "But if not for the beep, users won't notice errors". No. They will notice. Human eyes notice significant onscreen changes (perhaps 3 words or more) easily. Regards, Jason Spiro