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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Darren Hoo <darren.hoo@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: About the :distant-foreground face attribute
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 14:25:42 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ff1514f9-eecb-4fa7-8ca3-55f5ec44389f@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2d2k0j2i6.fsf@gmail.com>

> > From my experience, editors usually simply drop font-lock when you
> > mark text (at least Eclipse does that, and in gvim it seems to be
> > configurable), and I think that is a good default. When you mark a
> > region, you want to apply some kind of operation on it, after
> > which the region will be gone and font lock is restored.
> 
> That's quite contrary to my experience. Even for old emacs like
> emacs22 font-lock is kept on marked text with transient-mark-mode
> enabled.  As to other tools like Eclipse, Netbeans,Xcode selected
> text does not lose syntax highlight either.

Yes and no.  You might think that, just because (a) by default, face
`region' does not specify a foreground color and (b) most font locking
(maybe all default font-locking) does not affect the background.

> Especially for Eclipse I remembered that when I used it about a
> decade ago copying selected code from Eclipse to other WYSIWYG
> applications like MS PowerPoint the syntax highlight is also copied
> ie, rich formatted.

But this is the point: does the selection highlighting take precedence
over the underlying text highlighting (syntax highlighting or other)?

My guess is that in *all* of the cases you cite the answer is yes.
Selection highlighting _should_ take precedence, so you can tell
clearly which text has been selected.  When you are selecting text,
that is generally more important than other highlighting considerations.

> I must say here that my experience with color theme is way much
> better and much less flaws than before it's integerated thanks to
> the work of all the developers especially cyd.

I'm not sure what you mean by that.  Color theme was not integrated
into Emacs.  It is still a separate library (and it still works
with Emacs 24.4).  What CYD did was to enhance Emacs custom themes
to do some of what color themes do (in a different way), and to do
some things that color themes do not do.  `color-theme.el' is here:
http://www.nongnu.org/color-theme .  See also
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ColorTheme.

> I do. I find myself get an uneasy feeling when font-lock is lost on
> marked text.

It was lost in the context you describe (IIUC), because the platform
provided a bad default color for the `region' background.  This was
not the right "fix" for that problem, IMO (IIUC).



  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-09 22:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-07 12:55 About the :distant-foreground face attribute Chong Yidong
2014-01-07 15:00 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-07 17:28   ` Drew Adams
2014-01-07 18:01     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-07 18:09     ` Joel Mccracken
     [not found]     ` <<8361pvsmbk.fsf@gnu.org>
2014-01-07 18:44       ` Drew Adams
2014-01-07 19:01         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]         ` <<83zjn7r4z3.fsf@gnu.org>
2014-01-07 19:06           ` Drew Adams
2014-01-07 19:15             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-07 21:57   ` Chong Yidong
2014-01-08  3:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-08  5:24       ` Chong Yidong
2014-01-08  9:35         ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-08  9:52           ` Chong Yidong
2014-01-08 10:10             ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-08 14:49               ` Chong Yidong
2014-01-08 16:37                 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-08 17:08                   ` Drew Adams
2014-01-08 16:57                 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-08 14:05         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-08 17:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 16:15           ` Chong Yidong
2014-01-09 17:02             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-09 17:07               ` Drew Adams
2014-01-09 17:46                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 18:21                   ` Chong Yidong
2014-01-09 22:25                     ` Drew Adams
2014-01-09 22:48                     ` David Engster
2014-01-12 11:14                       ` David Engster
2014-01-12 11:40                         ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-12 12:21                           ` David Engster
2014-01-12 12:56                             ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-12 13:07                               ` David Engster
2014-01-12 13:17                                 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-12 20:14                         ` Chong Yidong
2014-01-12 21:20                           ` Drew Adams
2014-01-12 22:07                           ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-13  0:57                             ` Drew Adams
2014-01-12 22:59                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-13  4:14                             ` chad
2014-01-09 17:05             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 17:22               ` David Engster
2014-01-09 17:27                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-01-09 17:50                   ` Jan D.
2014-01-09 20:58                 ` Darren Hoo
2014-01-09 21:17                   ` David Engster
2014-01-09 22:29                     ` Darren Hoo
2014-01-09 22:25                   ` Drew Adams [this message]
2014-01-09 22:24                 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-09 17:39               ` Josh
2014-01-09 17:57                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 17:49               ` Jan D.
2014-01-13 13:13           ` [PATCH] " Daniel Colascione
2014-01-13 16:27             ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-13 16:33             ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-13 18:41               ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-13 21:29                 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-13 21:36                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-13 23:01                     ` Drew Adams
2014-01-13 23:11                       ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14  1:32                         ` Drew Adams
2014-01-14  1:45                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-14 19:32                             ` Drew Adams
2014-01-14  2:34                           ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14 19:32                             ` Drew Adams
2014-01-14 22:38                               ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15  0:31                                 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-15  0:54                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15  3:07                                     ` Drew Adams
2014-01-15  3:52                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15  4:59                                         ` Drew Adams
2014-01-15  5:12                                           ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15  5:39                                             ` Drew Adams
2014-01-15 14:38                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-15  4:50                               ` Yuri Khan
2014-01-15  7:50                                 ` Jan D.
2014-01-15  7:52                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15  8:17                                     ` Jan D.
2014-01-15 17:23                                     ` Drew Adams
2014-01-13 23:57                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-14  0:07                       ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14  1:45                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-14  2:41                           ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14  8:47                       ` Chong Yidong
2014-01-14  9:42                         ` Jan D.
2014-01-14 19:32                       ` Drew Adams
2014-01-14  7:47                     ` Jan D.
2014-01-14  8:18                       ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14  9:34                         ` Jan D.
2014-01-14 10:44                           ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14 11:44                             ` Jan D.
2014-01-14 17:56                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-14 18:06                                 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-14 18:31                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14 18:51                                 ` John Yates
2014-01-14 22:19                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-14 18:47                               ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14 20:01                                 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-14 20:06                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14 22:05                                     ` [PATCH] " Jan Djärv
2014-01-14 22:14                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15  6:33                                         ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-15  8:05                                           ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15  9:25                                             ` Jan D.
2014-01-15 14:43                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-14 20:39                                   ` [PATCH] " Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14 21:58                                     ` [PATCH] " Jan Djärv
2014-01-14 22:06                                       ` Drew Adams
2014-01-15  3:52                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-15  4:22                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-15  4:25                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15  6:39                                           ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-15 15:39                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-15 14:41                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-15 15:38                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-15 16:17                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-15 16:53                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-15 17:33                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-15 17:51                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-15 18:43                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-15 19:06                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-15 20:05                                                       ` Josh
2014-01-15 20:40                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-15 21:03                                                           ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15 21:12                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-15 21:15                                                               ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15 21:31                                                             ` John Yates
2014-01-15 22:11                                                             ` Drew Adams
2014-01-15 23:58                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-07 22:50   ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-08  3:13 ` Darren Hoo
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2014-01-09 21:12                   ` Drew Adams
2014-01-09 21:22                     ` Eli Zaretskii
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2014-01-15  3:56                                           ` [PATCH] " Drew Adams
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2014-01-09 22:27   ` Drew Adams

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