From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18083: 24.4.50; (emacs) Arguments and (elisp) Prefix Command Arguments Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 07:16:34 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Message-ID: References: < <87oa8sm596.fsf@gnus.org>> <<75d42f7e-707b-44e9-90b1-9b5d04207961@default>> <<83oa8rvex3.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1462029464 6076 80.91.229.3 (30 Apr 2016 15:17:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:17:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 18083@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 30 17:17:30 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1awWeA-0004Wx-Kx for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 17:17:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58729 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awWe6-0005Ac-Qc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:17:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55800) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awWdw-0004ws-TG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:17:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awWdl-0002Ir-8T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:17:11 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:45562) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awWdl-0002Hz-4w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:17:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awWdh-0003Oh-Lu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:17:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18083 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 18083-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18083.146202940713023 (code B ref 18083); Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:17:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18083) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 15:16:47 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57896 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awWdT-0003Nz-DF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:16:47 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:24359) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awWdR-0003Nh-Km for 18083@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:16:46 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3UFGdSb018219 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:16:39 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3UFGctD020044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:16:38 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3UFGZYA005558; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:16:37 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83oa8rvex3.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117342 Archived-At: > > > > Both of these nodes speak of `M--', `M-3', etc. They should also > > > > mention the equivalent `C--', `C-3', etc. > > > > > > I wonder whether the reason they aren't mentioned is that they're > > > deprecated or something? Anybody know? > > > > No, they are not deprecated. Presumably they are not mentioned > > because they are not available in some Emacs terminal sessions. > > > > That doesn't mean we shouldn't mention them - we should just > > point out that they might not be available in some contexts. >=20 > FWIW, I know about them, but never use them. So I'm not sure we > should mention them in the manual. I guess that sums things up, then? ;-) > > They are particularly handy if you are using prefix args > > a lot or repetitively, as they use the same modifier as `C-u'. > > And they are somewhat easier for some people to type on some > > (common) keyboards. >=20 > I'm probably missing something because I don't see how both of the > above is not true about M-3 etc. What is true of C- is not necessarily true in all contexts for M-, and vice versa. C-- C-2 C-x C-t. And yes, for some keyboards or some hands one or the other might be easier to use. This should not be about choosing to document only this one or only that one. And it should not be based on what you tend to use or I tend to use. It costs little to mention that C- also can be used, like M-.