From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [elpa] elpa-admin 1d766451f8: Suggest `package-install' to install packages (bug#63800) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 19:51:44 +0300 Message-ID: References: <168924107008.19431.1227792773208531915@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20230713093750.A9D48C06C6F@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4093"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 Cc: Ihor Radchenko To: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 14 18:53:00 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qKM2M-0000o4-Ma for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307872 Archived-At: On 13/07/2023 15:51, Stefan Monnier wrote: > But this should be motivated by a preference, not by a bug (which we > should fix instead) The bug was in the instructions: for every package we say that they can install it by using 'M-x package-install'. But there is no sense to do that for built-in packages: they are already installed, so package-install predictably says so instead of upgrading to an external version. Emacs 29 now has a user option to change the latter behavior (which IMHO is not the right direction to solve this), but even so, it's off by default, and the ELPA website needs to have instructions which will work in the previous versions of Emacs. Basically, see the previous discussions.