From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: lax matching is not a great default behavior Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:00:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <837fl2qzs2.fsf@gnu.org> <83610ikvto.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1449183668 11555 80.91.229.3 (3 Dec 2015 23:01:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 23:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?B?UGVyIFN0YXJiw6Rjaw==?= , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 04 00:00:52 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a4crs-00029W-1Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 00:00:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37822 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4crr-0003UW-2L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 18:00:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42181) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4crT-0003UF-01 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 18:00:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4crS-0006RV-6J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 18:00:26 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:23014) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4crN-0006Pg-9l; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 18:00:21 -0500 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id tB3N0FtU003358 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Dec 2015 23:00:16 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tB3N0F2S025587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Dec 2015 23:00:15 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tB3N0FSB028244; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 23:00:15 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:195839 Archived-At: > > If we are afraid users will hate this default, we can turn it off in > > v25.1 and consider making it the default later. >=20 > That would be good, together with introducing an entry for it in the > Options menu directly below (or above?) "Ignore case for search". This > deserves to be as visible as that option. Should it be "Ignore accents > for search"? >=20 > I think it's often best to make something just available first to get > more feedback on it before it's made the default... >=20 > > Alternatively, we could quickly release Emacs 25.2 with character > > folding turned off if we see an outcry. But polling at this time > > will not be efficient, IMO. >=20 > Not at all as good! To "quickly release" something doesn't mean that > it is a quick change for users, who may keep using that version for a > long time. 100% agreed.