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From: Jeff Norden <jnorden@tntech.edu>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove obsolete fast-lock and lazy-lock libraries
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2020 16:34:43 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fdsgcv8pvw.fsf@norden.tntech.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83mu336i18.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 09 Aug 2020 16:54:59 +0300)

Alan Mackenzie writes:
> This doesn't make sense, I think.  font-lock-support-mode is a function,
> and if a user has this set to a non-existent function, the correct
> response is surely to tell her with an error message, rather than
> executing a different function.
>
> The only reason anybody nowadays would set f-l-s-m to 'fast-lock-mode
> would be for debugging.  Let's not make that debugging any more
> difficult than it already is.

Stefan Monnier writes:
> IMNSHO, that variable should not be a defcustom any more and we
> shouldn't encourage users to touch it.  IOW we should mark it obsolete.
>
> We could OTOH add a new command to enter a form of
> `font-lock-debug-mode` which could disable the use of jit-lock (but not
> necessarily in exactly the same way as setting `font-lock-support-mode`
> would, tho it would probably be the most obvious immediate choice in the
> short term).

I guess my suggestion was to change f-l-s-m to a boolean flag in order
to make debugging *easier*.  My own experience, as someone previously
unfamiliar with the font-lock code, was that it took me a while to
discover that setting f-l-s-m to nil is the way to use font-lock
directly, without jit-lock "support".  Neither setting the jit-lock-mode
variable nor calling (jit-lock-mode nil) does this.  The latter will
turn off jit-lock, but doesn't tell font-lock to install its default
change functions.

I was also thinking that treating any non-nil value by using jit-Lock
would provide better backward compatibility.  I later realized that this
is actually a moot point.  The only way that setting f-l-s-m to
'fast-lock-mode will currently work is to also (require 'fast-lock), and
that is going to crash-and-burn once fast-lock-mode.el is gone.

Personally, I like Stefan M's suggestion of creating a new function or
variable and marking f-l-s-m as obsolete, but Eli's point that this
could be disruptive to people who are currently using f-l-s-m for
debugging is also well taken.  Anything that makes it clear how to
disable Jit Lock while still using Font Lock seem like an improvement
to me.

Thanks,
-Jeff



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-08-09 21:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.45.1596816008.14576.emacs-devel@gnu.org>
2020-08-09  4:04 ` [PATCH] Remove obsolete fast-lock and lazy-lock libraries Jeff Norden
2020-08-09 13:54   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-09 19:21     ` Jeff Norden
2020-08-09 19:53       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-10  2:30         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-10  4:02           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-10 14:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-10 22:25               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-11 15:12                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-12 18:08                   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-12 18:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-12 18:53                       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-12 19:12                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-12 20:25                           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-13 13:36                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-13 14:00                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-13 15:02                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-13 14:51                               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-13 21:30                                 ` Jeff Norden
2020-08-14  6:11                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-14 13:32                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-10 11:04         ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-08-10 12:07           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-10 17:25             ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-08-10 22:19               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-12 19:12                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-08-11  3:26           ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-11  7:00             ` Jeff Norden
2020-08-09 21:34     ` Jeff Norden [this message]
2020-08-10 13:50       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-10 16:59         ` Jeff Norden
2020-08-09 16:28   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-09 16:40     ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-08-09 20:32       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-09 20:49         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-12 18:08           ` Stefan Kangas
     [not found] <20200515175844.18941.61355@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <20200515175845.997EC20999@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2020-05-15 18:38   ` Deleting old `:version` from defcustoms (was: master b76cdd0: Delete libraries obsolete since 23.1 and 23.2) Stefan Monnier
2020-05-15 20:58     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-07 15:42       ` [PATCH] Remove obsolete fast-lock and lazy-lock libraries (was: Re: Deleting old `:version` from defcustoms) Stefan Kangas
2020-08-08  2:19         ` [PATCH] Remove obsolete fast-lock and lazy-lock libraries Stefan Monnier

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