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From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
To: Robert Thorpe <rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) and reserve it for third-party packages
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 17:50:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fceced960f23d58a4d23@heytings.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pn0z12rt.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com>


>>> I'm not sure I understand your point here.  Any single key that's 
>>> picked will have a similar limitation.
>>
>> With a single key you indeed have a limitation, but it's the limitation 
>> of the keyboard, not an arbirary one.  You have full access to all 
>> letters, all digits, all symbols, combined or not with the control 
>> and/or meta modifier.  That's a lot more than 26 or 52 keys.
>
> I see what you mean but I don't think it's a huge difference.  Most 
> desktop keyboards have ~104 keys.  And some of those can't be 
> differentiated from each other by Emacs.  Laptop keyboards usually have 
> fewer, mine has 81.
>

Indeed, and when you combine these with the control and/or meta and/or 
shift modifier you have ~400 possible keys.  Which means that with two 
prefix keys you have ~800 possible keys.

The main point is that third-party packages are first-class citizens and 
should get all possible keys, not an arbitrary subset.

>>> For example, let's suppose that M-o is picked.  That's my favourite, I 
>>> know you don't like it.
>>
>> It's in the proposal, it would be a perfect choice, together with C-o.
>
> I think C-o is a terrible idea.  Open-line is a very useful command.
>

The proposal explicitly mentions that open-line would remain bound to C-o 
C-o.  That's three key presses instead of two.  And if you think that 
open-line is so important in your workflow that pressing three keys 
instead of two is really not possible, you can of course always bind 
open-line to C-o in your init file, and move the third-party library 
keymap that would be on C-o somewhere else.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-20 17:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-07 22:05 PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08  0:13 ` Ergus
2021-02-08  2:57 ` Jorge Javier Araya Navarro
2021-02-08  3:46 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-08  7:20   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-08 14:58     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-08 21:00       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 21:33       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-09  8:13         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-09 16:54           ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-09 17:13             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-09 17:43             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-09 21:21               ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-10 21:43                 ` Bindings for setting faces (was: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages) Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-02-09 18:37             ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Stefan Monnier
2021-02-08 22:45       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-08 15:45     ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-08 23:01       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-09  3:20         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-09  9:13         ` Simen Heggestøyl
2021-02-09  9:30         ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-09 13:01           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 21:00     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09  6:03     ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-08 12:36   ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-08 21:00   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08  4:52 ` Robin Tarsiger
2021-02-08  8:41   ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-08 17:07     ` Robin Tarsiger
2021-02-11 12:59     ` Arthur Miller
2021-02-08 21:00   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09  7:42     ` Yuri Khan
2021-02-09  8:23       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 23:14   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-09  8:23     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 12:42 ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-02-08 21:00   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 14:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-08 21:00   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 17:59 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-08 22:40   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-02-09 16:45     ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-10  5:28       ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-10  9:29         ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-11 13:37           ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 13:52             ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-10 10:42         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 11:35           ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-10 12:59             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 13:09             ` vc-magit mode (was: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages) Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 13:25               ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-10 13:34               ` vc-magit mode Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-10 15:33               ` vc-magit mode (was: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages) Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-10 16:47                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 17:22                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 13:37           ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 14:38             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-11 15:13               ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-11 16:08                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-12  8:21                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-12  8:36                     ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 15:11                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-13  3:26                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-10 11:07         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 13:00           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 13:59             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 14:10               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 14:51                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 15:12                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 15:23                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 16:35               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-10 16:35             ` Drew Adams
2021-02-10 17:05               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-11 13:37           ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 13:55             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12  9:40       ` Jean Louis
2021-02-08 20:32 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-08 21:00   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 21:37     ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-08 22:00       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 16:57       ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-09 17:19         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 17:59           ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-09 18:24             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 18:19           ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-09 19:16             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 19:28               ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-09 20:15                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 19:47               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-09 22:19             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 21:34           ` Sean Whitton
     [not found] ` <8735y56naf.fsf@posteo.net>
     [not found]   ` <8ed9b43502ae9a36b057@heytings.org>
2021-02-09 23:18     ` Philip K.
2021-02-10 11:07       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 23:35         ` Philip K.
2021-02-11  8:45           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 13:53             ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 15:47               ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 15:59               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 16:20                 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 17:48                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 18:34                     ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 21:15                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 22:48                         ` Philip K.
2021-02-12  0:01                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 10:27                             ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 11:59                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 13:23                                 ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 13:54                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 14:09                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 16:04                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 17:25                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 17:54                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 18:16                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 21:48                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13  0:37                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13  8:33                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13  9:09                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 13:06                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 14:28                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 15:01                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 16:08                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 15:02                                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 15:21                                                             ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:28                                                               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 15:39                                                                 ` Nothing is the list - " Jean Louis
2021-02-13 20:14                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 20:58                                                               ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 21:18                                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 21:32                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 21:37                                                                 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) " Jean Louis
2021-02-13 23:55                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-14  6:19                                                                     ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14  6:33                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14  8:06                                                                         ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 18:30                                                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-14 19:21                                                                         ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 19:44                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 23:30                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2021-02-15  0:33                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-15  5:59                                                                             ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 17:59                                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-14 18:14                                                                       ` libraries (was: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) and reserve it for third-party packages) Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 18:23                                                                       ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) and reserve it for third-party packages Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-14 21:37                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-15  0:28                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-15  5:02                                                                           ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-15 11:08                                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-17  9:07                                                                               ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-20 17:50                                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings [this message]
2021-02-14 18:30                                                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-14 18:50                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-14 19:24                                                                           ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 19:41                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 23:30                                                                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-13 10:05                                                     ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key " Jean Louis
2021-02-13  8:24                                                 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 12:44                                                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 14:26                                                     ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:09                                                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 15:24                                                         ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:38                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 15:45                                                             ` Jean Louis
2021-02-12  4:45                           ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-12  9:58                             ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 16:59                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-11 16:58             ` Drew Adams
2021-02-11 16:59             ` Leo Butler

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