From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
To: Robert Thorpe <rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) and reserve it for third-party packages
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 17:50:31 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <fceced960f23d58a4d23@heytings.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pn0z12rt.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com>
>>> I'm not sure I understand your point here. Any single key that's
>>> picked will have a similar limitation.
>>
>> With a single key you indeed have a limitation, but it's the limitation
>> of the keyboard, not an arbirary one. You have full access to all
>> letters, all digits, all symbols, combined or not with the control
>> and/or meta modifier. That's a lot more than 26 or 52 keys.
>
> I see what you mean but I don't think it's a huge difference. Most
> desktop keyboards have ~104 keys. And some of those can't be
> differentiated from each other by Emacs. Laptop keyboards usually have
> fewer, mine has 81.
>
Indeed, and when you combine these with the control and/or meta and/or
shift modifier you have ~400 possible keys. Which means that with two
prefix keys you have ~800 possible keys.
The main point is that third-party packages are first-class citizens and
should get all possible keys, not an arbitrary subset.
>>> For example, let's suppose that M-o is picked. That's my favourite, I
>>> know you don't like it.
>>
>> It's in the proposal, it would be a perfect choice, together with C-o.
>
> I think C-o is a terrible idea. Open-line is a very useful command.
>
The proposal explicitly mentions that open-line would remain bound to C-o
C-o. That's three key presses instead of two. And if you think that
open-line is so important in your workflow that pressing three keys
instead of two is really not possible, you can of course always bind
open-line to C-o in your init file, and move the third-party library
keymap that would be on C-o somewhere else.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-02-20 17:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-02-07 22:05 PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 0:13 ` Ergus
2021-02-08 2:57 ` Jorge Javier Araya Navarro
2021-02-08 3:46 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-08 7:20 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-08 14:58 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-08 21:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 21:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-09 8:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-09 16:54 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-09 17:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-09 17:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-09 21:21 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-10 21:43 ` Bindings for setting faces (was: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages) Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-02-09 18:37 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Stefan Monnier
2021-02-08 22:45 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-08 15:45 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-08 23:01 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-09 3:20 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-09 9:13 ` Simen Heggestøyl
2021-02-09 9:30 ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-09 13:01 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 21:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 6:03 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-08 12:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-08 21:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 4:52 ` Robin Tarsiger
2021-02-08 8:41 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-08 17:07 ` Robin Tarsiger
2021-02-11 12:59 ` Arthur Miller
2021-02-08 21:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 7:42 ` Yuri Khan
2021-02-09 8:23 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 23:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-09 8:23 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 12:42 ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-02-08 21:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 14:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-08 21:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 17:59 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-08 22:40 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-02-09 16:45 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-10 5:28 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-10 9:29 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-11 13:37 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 13:52 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-10 10:42 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 11:35 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-10 12:59 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 13:09 ` vc-magit mode (was: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages) Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 13:25 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-10 13:34 ` vc-magit mode Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-10 15:33 ` vc-magit mode (was: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages) Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-10 16:47 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 17:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 13:37 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 14:38 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-11 15:13 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-11 16:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-12 8:21 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-12 8:36 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 15:11 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-13 3:26 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-10 11:07 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 13:00 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 13:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 14:10 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 14:51 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 15:12 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 15:23 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 16:35 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-10 16:35 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-10 17:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-11 13:37 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 13:55 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 9:40 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-08 20:32 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-08 21:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 21:37 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-08 22:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 16:57 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-09 17:19 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 17:59 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-09 18:24 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 18:19 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-09 19:16 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 19:28 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-09 20:15 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 19:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-09 22:19 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 21:34 ` Sean Whitton
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[not found] ` <8ed9b43502ae9a36b057@heytings.org>
2021-02-09 23:18 ` Philip K.
2021-02-10 11:07 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 23:35 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 8:45 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 13:53 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 15:47 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 15:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 16:20 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 17:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 18:34 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 21:15 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 22:48 ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 0:01 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 10:27 ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 11:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 13:23 ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 13:54 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 14:09 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 16:04 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 17:25 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 17:54 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 18:16 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 21:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 0:37 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 8:33 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 9:09 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 13:06 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 14:28 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 15:01 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 16:08 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 15:02 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 15:21 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:28 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 15:39 ` Nothing is the list - " Jean Louis
2021-02-13 20:14 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 20:58 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 21:18 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 21:32 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 21:37 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) " Jean Louis
2021-02-13 23:55 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-14 6:19 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 6:33 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 8:06 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 18:30 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-14 19:21 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 19:44 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 23:30 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-15 0:33 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-15 5:59 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 17:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-14 18:14 ` libraries (was: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) and reserve it for third-party packages) Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 18:23 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) and reserve it for third-party packages Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-14 21:37 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-15 0:28 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-15 5:02 ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-15 11:08 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-17 9:07 ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-20 17:50 ` Gregory Heytings [this message]
2021-02-14 18:30 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-14 18:50 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-14 19:24 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 19:41 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 23:30 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-13 10:05 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key " Jean Louis
2021-02-13 8:24 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 12:44 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 14:26 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:09 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 15:24 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:38 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 15:45 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-12 4:45 ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-12 9:58 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 16:59 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-11 16:58 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-11 16:59 ` Leo Butler
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