From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Miles Bader" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: key to yank text at point into minibuffer? Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:06:57 +0900 Message-ID: References: <200603031830.k23IUF927484@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200603041600.k24G04116599@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1141694451 32132 80.91.229.2 (7 Mar 2006 01:20:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 01:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ttn@gnu.org, Luc Teirlinck , drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 07 02:20:48 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGQsW-0006B4-Ch for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 02:20:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGQsT-0001hI-NY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 20:20:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FGQDn-0002Pk-1y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:38:39 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FGQDg-0002Hu-ST for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:38:34 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGAmU-00058C-R1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 03:09:26 -0500 Original-Received: from [64.233.182.202] (helo=nproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FGAmT-0003cV-1k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 03:09:25 -0500 Original-Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a25so838711nfc for ; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 00:06:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=l8NYLILT0Gdi9KLkW6PPeifcnFDEH+qx001/4GgCk8jiWb0D2423shFbtCnmIB1GeaIDb4vKcaBAf0vPZYAjBStVIB/DP0rfcFFtI7ciPtzE6WrfvcktrjJj6zxh9PeQhYQOtq+1ggg4BlOEIwJ9001wFrfQeWdwtOXOczhHfHA= Original-Received: by 10.48.248.3 with SMTP id v3mr2292790nfh; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 00:06:57 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.48.237.7 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 00:06:57 -0800 (PST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:51309 Archived-At: On 3/6/06, Richard Stallman wrote: > Miles is suggesting deleting the C-S-BS > binding for kill-whole-line because he believes that many users will > mistakenly hold down the Meta key rather than the Shift key. > > I don't think we need to go that far to avoid the risk someone will > make an unusual double mistake. Well it's only one mistake (Alt vs. Shift), not two, but I'm suggesting this change because I really did make that mistake, not out of random worry: I noticed the News entry, tried to type C-S-BS to test this new binding, but my fingers ended up hitting Alt instead, and killing my entire session. I don't think this happened because of clumsiness, but rather because Alt is a far, far, more common modifier in conjunction with Control than Shift is, and muscle memory apparently treats chorded modifier keys as a unit... If the consequences of C-Alt-BS weren't so severe, I wouldn't worry about it -- people mistype all the time -- but they _are_ fairly severe, so it seems worthy of extra caution. -Miles -- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.