From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: thumbs.el and transparency Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:46:26 +0900 Message-ID: References: <17366.53124.274532.548329@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <87y814vhxj.fsf@jurta.org> <17367.17105.271024.157799@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <17369.17978.521026.397616@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1138333603 5087 80.91.229.2 (27 Jan 2006 03:46:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Mathias Dahl Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 27 04:46:41 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F2KZM-0003L8-6f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:46:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F2KcB-0000ui-4g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:49:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1F2Kc1-0000tJ-TG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:49:26 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1F2Kc0-0000s1-9H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:49:25 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F2Kc0-0000ry-75 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:49:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [66.249.92.193] (helo=uproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F2KZf-0003w8-VH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:47:00 -0500 Original-Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u2so74392uge for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:46:27 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XIzFNkSQmpddxaY8FTqJF8oyjEQPRBCf37un+cdWTGZ2wCEv0WkInxch79BKemhX49JZnVU7cNvHCXQ91j2ElVlxV+rjLwmtXQZO+b63ZtFauNhxllXEBlM12UvCrn3brN5A7h7H10OVEpsn+2Lz3luSW0W1Ihg547mzWgSeQw4= Original-Received: by 10.49.10.17 with SMTP id n17mr1186nfi; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:46:27 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.48.1.9 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:46:26 -0800 (PST) Original-To: Nick Roberts In-Reply-To: <17369.17978.521026.397616@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:49607 Archived-At: 2006/1/27, Nick Roberts : > > Tumme and thumbs are in many ways very similar. They display > > thumbnails of pictures, you can act on those thumbnails to do various > > things (display, manipulate etc), they are somewhat integrated in > > dired etc. Why do we need two packages for doing this? > > We've covered this before: thumbs is simpler and best suited for basic ta= sks, > tumme for more complex ones. I've not seen much consensus on that point (indeed the consensus _seemed_ to say that tumme will replace thumbs), but I must admit: I couldn't figure out how to make tumme do anything remotely useful in the 10 minutes I spent trying it out. There are lots of provocatively named commands -- tumme-dired, tumme-gallery-generate, tumme-slideshow-start -- but they never seem to _do_ anything other than rearrange my windows a bit or display cryptic messages.=20 Certainly I never saw an image show up. I did get the impression that tumme is somewhat heavy-weight and modal though, that many of the commands I tried _might_ have done something if things (windows, buffers, files, etc) were setup properly. Perhaps it's simply a measure of tumme's immaturity that these commands didn't make sure things were setup properly first, or at least display a message to that effect. Thumbs operation on the other hand is er, pretty obvious and straight-forward, and it seems reasonably useful for what it does... At the least, I got a buffer full of thumbnails with the first command I tried. I never did figure out how to make tumme do that. -miles -- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.