From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: File menu changes (suggestions) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:41:31 +0900 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: snogglethorpe@gmail.com, miles@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1119868150 2661 80.91.229.2 (27 Jun 2005 10:29:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 27 12:29:03 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DmqrH-0005em-UD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:28:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dmqys-0004H1-HV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 06:36:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DmqPH-0003sH-KW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:59:59 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DmqPD-0003pS-Lv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:59:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DmqPC-0003Yl-JC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:59:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [64.233.184.206] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DmqBa-0003rO-66 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:45:50 -0400 Original-Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so262077wri for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:41:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DC+7T1if7MW/bpYejJktZ6jBEwdY4+zyD5OMixN9jvnVgZ7XsFYvPIaRO7QGppJmyuiSH1oVU7S6JxVeFIbYbQAuucz70QvzgrCiQseqS2+J9OR+nl7pUIiZE1/h0lKWMDqxI6pHD1udkVz+vovnfHOXwJzmuWKylvjJBc7fq+U= Original-Received: by 10.54.59.22 with SMTP id h22mr86832wra; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.54.19.31 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: Jason Rumney In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:39644 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:39644 On 6/27/05, Jason Rumney wrote: > > But it doesn't do the opposite of split-window... >=20 > That's a rather pedantic definition of opposite No it's not (are you serious?). "Unsplit window" vaguely implies that it simply undoes a previous split-window, leaving other windows alone -- but it doesn't do that, it removes all other windows. The lack of symmetry is not subtle. > and dwelling on such > pedantry when choosing menu names results in confusion for less > experienced users, because you're removing helpful associations > between menu entries in return for absolute correctness. ... and dwelling on "symmetry" when it conflicts with clarity is also counter-productive. In many cases there is no perfect name that will help all people form all the right associations; all we can do is try to consider all the factors, and come up with something that results in a minimum of confusion. -miles --=20 Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.