From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: file-name-shadow-mode Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:33:13 +0900 Message-ID: References: <200503180435.j2I4Z2R18621@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <87is3p5zp2.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <200503191521.j2JFL8901509@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <87r7ibziw6.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <200503200230.j2K2UvS03067@raven.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: snogglethorpe@gmail.com, miles@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111289945 32116 80.91.229.2 (20 Mar 2005 03:39:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 03:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rms@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 20 04:39:04 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCrHJ-0004sl-8f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 04:39:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCrY7-00020V-TX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:56:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DCrWh-0001Z6-5f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:54:57 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DCrWW-0001Uj-KZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:54:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCrWU-0001QP-K6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:54:42 -0500 Original-Received: from [64.233.184.199] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DCrBk-0003oj-P7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:33:16 -0500 Original-Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so202362wri for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:33:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=KSdADBHu35vmGcdfnlrbEC6QC9AJQIlxyAvWFyJWWxxj2O0L8/4cMhTRsquTtURs0yJS5eK0lXidkScRDglmI6YKyqeqV6eK4W7wu6xmGs9bS7rihxbEcnO6EsqG93Do+6W0h3rOgN+lJO0sAsGCBnPNaYgRlb37tPvF+6foVI0= Original-Received: by 10.54.59.19 with SMTP id h19mr104161wra; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:33:13 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.54.19.70 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:33:13 -0800 (PST) Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-Reply-To: <200503200230.j2K2UvS03067@raven.dms.auburn.edu> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:34808 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:34808 On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:30:57 -0600 (CST), Luc Teirlinck wrote: > In other words, rfn-eshadow.el assumes that the value of _every_ > environment variable is an absolute file name and it yields very > confusing results when other environment variables are used in file > names, say "/home/$USER". Well I'm obviously biased, but: I doubt 99% of the people out there use environment variables while typing filenames _at all_. However I'm probably one of the few that does -- in fact I use them heavily -- and I've _never_ wanted to use a relative filename from one. The functionality of rfn-eshadow is quite useful to the vast majority of users, and indeed is much-requested, and you want to not enable it because you found a minor flaw? A flaw whose only effect is to make the prompt slightly less clear that it could be? I expect that the traditional "double slash" behavior of Emacs filename input -- which is what rfn-eshadow fixes -- confuses far, _far_, more people. [I think it's probably possible to fix this -- e.g., by generating a regexp of all non-absolute environment variables and glomming it onto the rexexp used for filenames. But my basic point is that it scarcely matters.] -Miles -- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.