From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Ok, here is the bug I have been looking for. Kim, not Jan... Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:28:37 +0900 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: snogglethorpe@gmail.com, miles@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1109761316 4124 80.91.229.2 (2 Mar 2005 11:01:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Kim F. Storm" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 02 12:01:55 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D6Rbp-00013P-KH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:01:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D6RuZ-0004lb-7u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 06:21:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D6RU1-0006SV-EA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 05:53:37 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D6RTu-0006Re-Ug for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 05:53:33 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D6RTs-0006QQ-D8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 05:53:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [64.233.184.207] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D6R5q-00081c-6F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 05:28:38 -0500 Original-Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so177378wri for ; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 02:28:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=IrirhceCg3LtdnPkxFuaLE+TpPB4Xsgja3eqc1o4IAX7hfN3wv1wh2jfwCUekQ5KB08KPynGdfP+a1r4v8xqAnq49Mxj2pKN2Bd3yk3A+5OTIMwPWR09SOu6E/+iGywet2X++5GksfEHcSuidc/5G/dnDrBpnHAnG8ovK/3C9vw= Original-Received: by 10.54.19.38 with SMTP id 38mr1568wrs; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 02:28:37 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.54.19.70 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:28:37 -0800 (PST) Original-To: David Kastrup In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:34050 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:34050 On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 00:52:13 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > I find it highly embarrassing that I have to tell people that want to > test drive Emacs without becoming a debugger-savvy developer Why do you find it "embarrassing"? Is it surprising to these people that a develop tree is optimized for ... development? It is certainly possible for Richard to decide that the default state of the CVS trunk should be optimized for random users who want to check out Emacs, and not for people interested in helping find bugs. But I think it should an explicit decision to that effect. -Miles -- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.