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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250892 Archived-At: > I finally understood what I was doing wrong: I tried to visit the file > and 'M-x eval-buffer' from an existing graphical frame. That got me > the error. Right. In a "normal" session you have to create a minibuffer-only frame first and then delete the normal frame to get uniform behavior. Emacs does not offer a function to remove the minibuffer window from a normal frame so this is the best you can get. > If I load it from init.el, the result is fairly functional (though > with a number of glitches), Since I use it with my customizations only, such glitches are to be expected. And, as you know, mutter is not very child-frame friendly. > and it really does look like an > improvement over the current situation. Even if the main benefit is > simply locality: it displays the "minibuffer" at the bottom of the > current window, not frame. You can put it anywhere on the parent frame via 'pop-up-mini-host' and/or 'pop-up-mini-position'. If something is lacking here, it can be added easily. martin