23.0.60: slower in starting up?

23.0.60: slower in starting up?

[T. V. Raman]

With the same .emacs I use for 23.0.50, ie loading all the same
packages, startup of 23.0.60 feels many orders of magnitude
slower than 23.0.50. Have  others run into this?

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Re: 23.0.60: slower in starting up?

[Claus]

Well, as mentioned before in other threads, Emacs 23.0.60 using the
new (default) font-backend is (depending on your architecture I guess)
sometimes magnitudes (hope no one will flame me for using this word)
slower for me, esp. on buffer navigation (C-n, C-p, ...).

But that's probably the price to pay when surfing on the bleeding edge
trunk-builds. I'm confident the developers will bring back the usual
performance and stability eventually.

You could try starting Emacs with --disable-font-backend which should
bring back performance. But on my system, Emacs crashes during startup
when doing this (hard to reproduce and on changing lines in my startup
file). So I have no other choice but bear with the new font-backend,
hope it shall stabilize soon.

Claus


On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:20 PM, T. V. Raman <raman@users.sf.net> wrote:
> With the same .emacs I use for 23.0.50, ie loading all the same
>  packages, startup of 23.0.60 feels many orders of magnitude
>  slower than 23.0.50. Have  others run into this?
>
>  --
>  Best Regards,
>  --raman
>
>
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>
>
>



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Claus Klingberg

Re: 23.0.60: slower in starting up?

[T. V. Raman]

I'm running on alinux console with the monitor turned off, so I
couldn't care less about the fonts in use;-)


>>>>> "Claus" == Claus  <claus.klingberg@gmail.com> writes:
    Claus> Well, as mentioned before in other threads, Emacs
    Claus> 23.0.60 using the new (default) font-backend is
    Claus> (depending on your architecture I guess) sometimes
    Claus> magnitudes (hope no one will flame me for using this
    Claus> word) slower for me, esp. on buffer navigation (C-n,
    Claus> C-p, ...).
    Claus> 
    Claus> But that's probably the price to pay when surfing on
    Claus> the bleeding edge trunk-builds. I'm confident the
    Claus> developers will bring back the usual performance and
    Claus> stability eventually.
    Claus> 
    Claus> You could try starting Emacs with
    Claus> --disable-font-backend which should bring back
    Claus> performance. But on my system, Emacs crashes during
    Claus> startup when doing this (hard to reproduce and on
    Claus> changing lines in my startup file). So I have no other
    Claus> choice but bear with the new font-backend, hope it
    Claus> shall stabilize soon.
    Claus> 
    Claus> Claus
    Claus> 
    Claus> 
    Claus> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:20 PM, T. V. Raman
    Claus> <raman@users.sf.net> wrote:
    >> With the same .emacs I use for 23.0.50, ie loading all the
    >> same packages, startup of 23.0.60 feels many orders of
    >> magnitude slower than 23.0.50. Have others run into this?
    >> 
    >> --
    >> Best Regards, --raman
    >> 
    >> 
    >> Email: raman@users.sf.net WWW:
    >> http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ AIM: emacspeak GTalk:
    >> tv.raman.tv@gmail.com PGP:
    >> http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc Google:
    >> tv+raman IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs
    >> 
    >> 
    >> 
    Claus> 


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Re: 23.0.60: slower in starting up?

[Chong Yidong]

"T. V. Raman" <raman@users.sourceforge.net> writes:

> I'm running on alinux console with the monitor turned off, so I
> couldn't care less about the fonts in use;-)

The starting time for emacs -nw is close to instantaneous---less than 1
second before Emacs is ready for input---with no discernible performance
regression compared to Emacs 22.  With the font backend turned on, the
startup time is much slower, but clearly this isn't what you're talking
about.

Maybe some of the packages you're loading take much longer to load in
Emacs 23, for some reason?

Re: 23.0.60: slower in starting up?

[T. V. Raman]

quite possible that it's the packages I'm loading; will have to
set debug-on-quit to t at start up and interrupt it to see where
it's stopping. For now I've gone back to the snapshot from Feb 1,
2008 -- there are too many things that are breaking with respect
to keybindings from packages I load. Simple example is mspools --
with the cvs trunk builds, 'n' and 'p' dont get bound.

I'm having similar issues with packages like W3 that are not
bundled with emacs.

>>>>> "Chong" == Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com> writes:
    Chong> "T. V. Raman" <raman@users.sourceforge.net> writes:
    >> I'm running on alinux console with the monitor turned off,
    >> so I couldn't care less about the fonts in use;-)
    Chong> 
    Chong> The starting time for emacs -nw is close to
    Chong> instantaneous---less than 1 second before Emacs is
    Chong> ready for input---with no discernible performance
    Chong> regression compared to Emacs 22.  With the font
    Chong> backend turned on, the startup time is much slower,
    Chong> but clearly this isn't what you're talking about.
    Chong> 
    Chong> Maybe some of the packages you're loading take much
    Chong> longer to load in Emacs 23, for some reason?
    Chong> 

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Re: 23.0.60: slower in starting up?

[Stefan Monnier]

> quite possible that it's the packages I'm loading; will have to
> set debug-on-quit to t at start up and interrupt it to see where
> it's stopping. For now I've gone back to the snapshot from Feb 1,
> 2008 -- there are too many things that are breaking with respect
> to keybindings from packages I load. Simple example is mspools --
> with the cvs trunk builds, 'n' and 'p' dont get bound.

Please post precise bug reports about them.  These sound like
serious bugs.


        Stefan