From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_R=c3=b6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: forward-comment and syntax-ppss Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 15:49:42 +0100 Message-ID: References: <83zikdl7oo.fsf@gnu.org> <83y3zxkwms.fsf@gnu.org> <20161203143603.GA6921@acm.fritz.box> <43e8a279-3278-817b-7cd4-b669c5ae320b@yandex.ru> <20161204123434.GB2791@acm.fritz.box> <20161206195507.GA2996@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1481121644 18482 195.159.176.226 (7 Dec 2016 14:40:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 14:40:44 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.4.0 To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 07 15:40:39 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cEdOe-0003cA-JA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:40:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39110 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cEdOi-0002qU-Iv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 09:40:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58303) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cEdOc-0002qD-Bi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 09:40:35 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cEdOZ-0007sK-8h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 09:40:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.187]:55822) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cEdOY-0007ry-Ts for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 09:40:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.35] ([77.12.70.57]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue004 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M4DQN-1cXGH93Npb-00rqmN for ; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:40:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:17j21+CiqxoT6AGHecJx34kUeDo79NzsN9B25ZDMGMW9elWT7iB xnILaklrtSbAoBrgm1RaY8Q5ItF7d4BYHnVEQnuodXq1OP9ShquI3SmloABf8HuFdULYs4m XU+YiVd0sY8xzQKz1+lI1PjP25G6RVjDQCi/cDEAKsUH3jDETquOf4TwGJsv7ThWatUS9hm 5g3ZYTbc68HKtzCazz6ew== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Xej+ZOZEfR8=:hi2Pco2yC77DvXQ9JRwcD3 1om150p0yjk//Hrhu81PaafS6O5XUt94yZxcdxNZ+jQjbsvGsWSPp+z5Oy72YG92qMCjOKvjz oKaUxsqw6Ua91v4riCk2yweDXAT4e43UJsYpn81sDfl22H1MABucqIv7uGG1Nx30LtvHK3eOc SfD3hQnZR3FcdHN9VcTOrie/jSp6cXC0a6HeLUzzu8vVgxCj+vrMkm9RCIMwJnOEqwamID4hu vUn36q3JAd5xErAoaKSEtlavZrg2MDiNpuaGq9cYblSolGdDlF0fNCLbjf7ZyU/Ex1hwGE84R WS8bGwoSeHqI4Mgq/QjFTvQ1PaA3/tFu19dpmYLbgDvhLd84s6xAoXaTTH2YahtM1reJW43NA LvL27wrO7ItuDWa6Sa5kJ1fzccO+q7iOipPOJjIWxPcp6isdYXIVLcAX7SNDmsd9tPq/M4QXT DmX0LtK5vsP9uFdnvJWc4oOkE6up6G2QTkMs5dfi5bHBsM6w5GulrEGG8ULnQ0aTf+bgPGUi8 rHEOsn9vV1nOAV5IifPeqomCsu76kP5iIszZSmcjiWE4/EPmu0qnYq4bYuI84ytq2s4KWPjCs rf+eokB0mtITes+UYalVacHBiq/ANrVarlmD301zCe5Huv4RXVEIvXFIbnMEiZbq8j4Dd34oY ztnVXu8cxu8NesOH/B+0LjJGs2dJEmqN98GjP3rGhNzj4OSS2oedI5gAVaCx7vWaHyJAHk2EN 2ZCfQenm07dWiUPn X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 212.227.126.187 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:210106 Archived-At: On 07.12.2016 15:01, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> syntax-ppss has major design issues. Just look at this comment: >> ;; Use the `syntax-begin-function' if available. > % grep syntax-begin-function **/*.el > [...] > lisp/emacs-lisp/syntax.el:(make-obsolete-variable 'syntax-begin-function nil "25.1") > [...] > > > Stefan > > That was just an example. However, with this in mind, the file was never ready for production. To be constructive: the major flaw in this context are circular dependencies. Which was pointed at already. As long as these circularities aren't dissolved, debugging might be an ordeal.