From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Danan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Accessibility: caret tracking in emacs with gnome shell magnifier Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 14:13:24 +0100 Message-ID: References: <39e22d6d-8226-e668-7a76-b540bdf15afc@u-cergy.fr> <6cdfe9b3-45bb-600c-2e8b-6e0570a1a10f@arnaud.link> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="41289"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alex ARNAUD Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 25 15:17:39 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gyH4Z-000AZr-BN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:17:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38112 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gyH4Y-0002dP-6M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 09:17:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37975) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gyG4f-0006h6-40 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 08:13:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gyG4b-0001om-Cx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 08:13:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wm1-x332.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::332]:38391) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gyG4Z-0001ga-4y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 08:13:32 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wm1-x332.google.com with SMTP id v26so8011316wmh.3 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 05:13:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericdanan-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+0uN9yHHHDw00Jv1AlBoxuQU/DH2YI+Fb8gKWQlvTvE=; b=cZog5mn6Bnjvl5wWbsiBxjTHGoHKNM7kJpJluUnP4sUcYbZCujxbIG92ermRVWOIQE iDVw6wD5sN4c8RBN0Vr2bQQEhdmHly9pJAKjF1YVFllVDZz22VK6/oMKRaA+rusL4zHT 3WcNaZse1NAx6D1wbZ7gPgTFZ10T/m5Lvp5zHxM73bFb6W4wJhUUqC7j+ss//SbIBVCx jCFkXOTw0/Fp1f6zBCwtT1jTItd4bHlEfpGh4R2ZbliUkHOyTXhOz8/8fVuz9NH+K86k sF6ox5lySaTcbRxculg/K0Q6+jZIX7iEJHyUWp7j5DA5QzDZ1jTCbEK1018UOnTsc3KN nuPw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+0uN9yHHHDw00Jv1AlBoxuQU/DH2YI+Fb8gKWQlvTvE=; b=RSBzsUiOhHnoWTn9gv8VS5yVwv/OYetRqqCsNDlOC7q/LN5Ay4kYYwosJmRodk+jNX 0peh76NW4P5iKvx6062EhoJZ1w7H1VfLHc6mMe9g6oQJj5LKvhpL0rYpAGnUBxOox73n BdyI9jLXxjP5Gyu3I603NvyLIczY8NTAyYJpnTQTL/CYx6pTnhQqxVs2G5D/C8CWb+Tq ZUvI1UkqTHOVBH62P7UhYT4FR8VBUyQKdRY0ypsyh2bYy72VoTNmYn6xIaZsgBzCz4cg idSMj1Z1IyRnLlK5qVSayWarJk0lGrFEVndvxHmN5zJBe+wbvNS6qpWdVoNtHkc8EIH0 +f2g== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAuYCC8hawAhPGamzxK3qEg0IAO3+34u+cSGaHFAnK0nB1C+biP7k HUax32SEDHW0u6v1/xhv4Xn8WAK1mTg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IZv+/IWeYHcYsr9B68WEs7tWwuv4uhnckwfdeRKTj4wtKN69xvQlwRRBw8pEqhqyzfo+4lY9w== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:d183:: with SMTP id i125mr10157497wmg.30.1551100404340; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 05:13:24 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [10.20.17.41] ([194.167.235.219]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d1sm5411417wrs.13.2019.02.25.05.13.23 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Feb 2019 05:13:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6cdfe9b3-45bb-600c-2e8b-6e0570a1a10f@arnaud.link> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::332 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 09:17:26 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:233599 Archived-At: Thank you Alex. I'd like to use GUI emacs so as to be able to e.g. use the pdf-tools package to view pdf files (this is not possible in terminal as far as I know). If I installed debian with the mate desktop, would caret tracking work in GUI emacs? Thanks, Eric On 2019-02-25 11:06, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > Hello Eric, > > I'm myself a visual-impaired and an emacs users. > > I advise you to run emacs inside the GNOME Terminal. The steps are: > 1) Open GNOME Terminal > 2) Write the command "emacs -nw" > > I personally use Debian GNU/Linux, Mate and Compiz Reloaded focus > tracking feature because I found them more reliable for those reasons: > - There is an accessibility team inside Debian > - Mate team take care of accessibility and offer a more natural > desktop experience > - I'm participating to the screen magnifier and focus tracking of > Compiz reloaded so I couldn't be fully objective but I hope our focus > tracking feature is more reliable than the GNOME One, if not, don't > hesitate to fill a bug. > > Best regards, > Alex. > > Le 25/02/2019 à 10:34, Eric Danan a écrit : >> Hello, >> >> Due to a visual impairment I constantly work with a screen magnifier >> turned on (in full screen mode), and I need it to track the caret to >> follow what I am typing. >> >> So far I am using emacs 26.1 on cygwin on windows 10, and the windows >> 10 magnifier does the job of tracking the caret. >> >> I am considering switching to gnome on linux and therefore installed >> the fedora (version 29) distribution to try it out. The gnome (3.30) >> shell magnifier supports caret tracking and it works in other >> applications but not emacs (26.1). >> >> I previously sent this message to the gnome accessibility list (that >> was a long time ago in 2015, so with earlier versions of emacs and >> gnome) and got a reply from Alex Arnaud (cc) stating: >> >>  > I've tried to test Emacs with Accercicer (a accessibility debug >> tool) and my conclusion are Emacs doesn't connect it to AT-SPI >> (accessibility stack). >> >> He also suggested that I write to this list, which I'm (finally!) >> doing. I hope it is appropriate to report this here. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Eric