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Sun, 15 Sep 2019 21:27:18 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2v0nb3fg8s-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Sep 2019 21:27:18 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x8FLRGbc020605; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 21:27:17 GMT In-Reply-To: <87impta7ug.fsf@gmail.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4888.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9381 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1909150233 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9381 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1909150233 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:166517 Archived-At: > > But at least in Emacs 26.3, the default is still > > `(all)'. For the record, this part of the problem > > hasn't been addressed: > > > >> If someone does not customize this or does > >> `package-initialize' in their init file before > >> loading `custom-file' then they might be in > >> for an unwelcome surprise, depending on what > >> packages they have locally. > >> > >> The default value would be better as nil, IMHO. >=20 > A default of nil would mean that no packages are loaded. No, just by default. No packages loaded by default. > So pretty much anyone installing packages No, anyone who wants to _load_ packages. You would specify/configure which packages to load, yes. Is that outlandish or too restrictive? > would have to customize it to `(all)' in order to > get their packages working. That sounds like a > worse default. Not to me, it doesn't. Just because you've installed some packages doesn't mean you want them to all to be loaded. That's a bit like automatically applying `require' to everything you have in your `load-path'. Why would we assume that, by default, users should load the latest installed versions of all installed packages? Do I feel strongly about this? No. But it seems wrong.