all messages for Emacs-related lists mirrored at yhetil.org
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
* Emacs logo proposal
@ 2015-10-20 19:26 Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-20 19:45 ` Jay Belanger
                   ` (7 more replies)
  0 siblings, 8 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-20 19:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel


[-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1163 bytes --]

Hi,

I've been working recently on the "branding" of Emacs.  The final goal
is to improve the first experience newcomers have with Emacs, from the
website to the startup screen, and the image people have of Emacs.

As a first step, I'm working on dusting off our logo, improving the
current website, and designing a proper website for GNU ELPA.

You will find attached a proposal for a new iteration of the Emacs logo.
Here's a summary of what I did:

- flattened a bit the circle
- changed the gradient of the logo to warmer shades of purple
- changed the orientation if the E, to look more dynamic (looking up
  instead of down)
- added a dark stroke around the logo

Because it's important to see a logo in a context, I'm also attaching an
image (emacs-logo-context.png), which is a composition of:

- the current logo in GNOME
- the new logo in GNOME
- the new logo in OSX
- the new logo in Windows 10

as well as emacs-logo-gnome.png, which shows the new logo in the GNOME
task switcher.

I'm also attaching the current logo for reference, as well as a variant
of the new one with the original pen (which I do not like as much as
without it).

Cheers,
Nico


[-- Attachment #1.2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #2: emacs-in-context.png --]
[-- Type: image/png, Size: 283747 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #3: emacs-logo-gnome.png --]
[-- Type: image/png, Size: 502936 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #4: emacs-logo.png --]
[-- Type: image/png, Size: 33925 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #5: emacs-logo-pen.png --]
[-- Type: image/png, Size: 42138 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #6: emacs-logo-current.png --]
[-- Type: image/png, Size: 34907 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-20 19:26 Emacs logo proposal Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-10-20 19:45 ` Jay Belanger
  2015-10-20 19:58   ` Artur Malabarba
                     ` (2 more replies)
  2015-10-20 20:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
                   ` (6 subsequent siblings)
  7 siblings, 3 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Jay Belanger @ 2015-10-20 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel; +Cc: jay.p.belanger


Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> writes:

> - changed the orientation if the E, to look more dynamic (looking up
>   instead of down)

I thought that part of the orientation was to make it look like an M as
well as an E.   With a different orientation, should it have a different
shape?




^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-20 19:45 ` Jay Belanger
@ 2015-10-20 19:58   ` Artur Malabarba
  2015-10-21  8:04     ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-20 20:05   ` Chris Van Dusen
  2015-10-20 20:45   ` David Kastrup
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Artur Malabarba @ 2015-10-20 19:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: jay.p.belanger; +Cc: emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 417 bytes --]

On 20 Oct 2015 8:45 pm, "Jay Belanger" <jay.p.belanger@gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought that part of the orientation was to make it look like an M as
> well as an E.   With a different orientation, should it have a different
> shape?

Then I must say that intent went unnoticed by me all these years. :-|

I'd like a different shape, but either way Nicolas's current proposal is
already a worthy improvement to my eyes.

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 572 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-20 19:45 ` Jay Belanger
  2015-10-20 19:58   ` Artur Malabarba
@ 2015-10-20 20:05   ` Chris Van Dusen
  2015-10-20 20:15     ` Kaushal Modi
  2015-10-20 20:45   ` David Kastrup
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Chris Van Dusen @ 2015-10-20 20:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: jay.p.belanger; +Cc: emacs-devel



> On Oct 20, 2015, at 14:45, Jay Belanger <jay.p.belanger@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> writes:
> 
>> - changed the orientation if the E, to look more dynamic (looking up
>>  instead of down)
> 
> I thought that part of the orientation was to make it look like an M as
> well as an E.   With a different orientation, should it have a different
> shape?
> 
> 

I thought that the "E" also served as the  stylized horns of the Gnu.  Regardless, the new logo looks nice. 

Chris.


^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-20 19:26 Emacs logo proposal Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-20 19:45 ` Jay Belanger
@ 2015-10-20 20:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
  2015-10-21  8:06   ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-11-14 18:28   ` Mark Oteiza
  2015-10-20 20:44 ` Drew Adams
                   ` (5 subsequent siblings)
  7 siblings, 2 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Dmitry Gutov @ 2015-10-20 20:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton, emacs-devel

Hi Nicholas,

On 10/20/2015 10:26 PM, Nicolas Petton wrote:

> As a first step, I'm working on dusting off our logo, improving the
> current website, and designing a proper website for GNU ELPA.

That's a great news.

> You will find attached a proposal for a new iteration of the Emacs logo.

I like it, it's sharper and with better colors.

But it lost something too: as opposed to the old logo (and even the 
variant with the pen), the new one feels out of balance horizontally, 
weighing more to the left. Maybe move it right a little?



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-20 20:05   ` Chris Van Dusen
@ 2015-10-20 20:15     ` Kaushal Modi
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Kaushal Modi @ 2015-10-20 20:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Chris Van Dusen; +Cc: Jay Belanger, emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 815 bytes --]

> I'd like a different shape, but either way Nicolas's current proposal is
already a worthy improvement to my eyes.
+1

In any case, the new logo without the pen looks nice.


--
Kaushal Modi

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Chris Van Dusen <cavandusen@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> > On Oct 20, 2015, at 14:45, Jay Belanger <jay.p.belanger@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> writes:
> >
> >> - changed the orientation if the E, to look more dynamic (looking up
> >>  instead of down)
> >
> > I thought that part of the orientation was to make it look like an M as
> > well as an E.   With a different orientation, should it have a different
> > shape?
> >
> >
>
> I thought that the "E" also served as the  stylized horns of the Gnu.
> Regardless, the new logo looks nice.
>
> Chris.
>

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2179 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* RE: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-20 19:26 Emacs logo proposal Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-20 19:45 ` Jay Belanger
  2015-10-20 20:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
@ 2015-10-20 20:44 ` Drew Adams
  2015-10-21  8:09   ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-20 21:30 ` Rasmus
                   ` (4 subsequent siblings)
  7 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2015-10-20 20:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton, emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 713 bytes --]

> You will find attached a proposal for a new iteration of the Emacs logo.
> Here's a summary of what I did:
> 
> - flattened a bit the circle
> - changed the gradient of the logo to warmer shades of purple
> - changed the orientation if the E, to look more dynamic (looking up
>   instead of down)
> - added a dark stroke around the logo

Looks good to me.  I agree with you about the E orientation,
especially when the icon is reduced considerably (see attached).
(No need to move the E to the right, IMO.)

Maybe provide it in a variety of colors.  Maybe even some with a
transparent E (see attached).

(At least on MS Windows, users can easily choose among the icons
distributed with an app.)

[-- Attachment #2: emacs-logo-Nico-sm.png --]
[-- Type: image/png, Size: 1466 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #3: emacs-logo-Nico-transp-1.png --]
[-- Type: image/png, Size: 26710 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-20 19:45 ` Jay Belanger
  2015-10-20 19:58   ` Artur Malabarba
  2015-10-20 20:05   ` Chris Van Dusen
@ 2015-10-20 20:45   ` David Kastrup
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: David Kastrup @ 2015-10-20 20:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jay Belanger; +Cc: emacs-devel

Jay Belanger <jay.p.belanger@gmail.com> writes:

> Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> writes:
>
>> - changed the orientation if the E, to look more dynamic (looking up
>>   instead of down)
>
> I thought that part of the orientation was to make it look like an M as
> well as an E.

Gnu horns.

-- 
David Kastrup



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-20 19:26 Emacs logo proposal Nicolas Petton
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2015-10-20 20:44 ` Drew Adams
@ 2015-10-20 21:30 ` Rasmus
  2015-10-22  9:29 ` Aurélien Aptel
                   ` (3 subsequent siblings)
  7 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Rasmus @ 2015-10-20 21:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

Hi,

Thanks for putting effort into this!  I like the current logo better,
though there may be little need of the pen. I prefer the shape of the E in
the current iteration over your proposal.

Thanks,
Rasmus

-- 
Slowly unravels in a ball of yarn and the devil collects it




^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-20 19:58   ` Artur Malabarba
@ 2015-10-21  8:04     ` Nicolas Petton
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-21  8:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bruce.connor.am, jay.p.belanger; +Cc: emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 704 bytes --]

Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com> writes:

> On 20 Oct 2015 8:45 pm, "Jay Belanger" <jay.p.belanger@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I thought that part of the orientation was to make it look like an M as
>> well as an E.   With a different orientation, should it have a different
>> shape?
>
> Then I must say that intent went unnoticed by me all these years. :-|
>
> I'd like a different shape, but either way Nicolas's current proposal is
> already a worthy improvement to my eyes.

Hi Artur,

I'm glad you like the logo.

I explicitly want to keep the original shape to make sure the logo stays
recognizable.  For the same reason I didn' touch the shape of the E, I
just oriented it differently.

Nico

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-20 20:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
@ 2015-10-21  8:06   ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-23 15:35     ` Dmitry Gutov
  2015-11-14 18:28   ` Mark Oteiza
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-21  8:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dmitry Gutov, emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --]

Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:

> Hi Nicholas,

Hi Dmitry,

> I like it, it's sharper and with better colors.

Great!

> But it lost something too: as opposed to the old logo (and even the 
> variant with the pen), the new one feels out of balance horizontally, 
> weighing more to the left. Maybe move it right a little?

I can try that, but while I understand what you mean, I don't get the
same feeling.  I will try to move it slightly to the right anyway.

Nico

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* RE: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-20 20:44 ` Drew Adams
@ 2015-10-21  8:09   ` Nicolas Petton
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-21  8:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Drew Adams, emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 328 bytes --]

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

> Maybe provide it in a variety of colors.  Maybe even some with a
> transparent E (see attached).
>

I can provide it with a transparent E, not so sure about alternate
colors, though, as I think that a logo should always be displayed
unchanged to keep the branding consistent.

Nico

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-20 19:26 Emacs logo proposal Nicolas Petton
                   ` (3 preceding siblings ...)
  2015-10-20 21:30 ` Rasmus
@ 2015-10-22  9:29 ` Aurélien Aptel
  2015-10-22  9:40   ` Dani Moncayo
  2015-10-22 11:45 ` John Yates
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  7 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Aurélien Aptel @ 2015-10-22  9:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: emacs-devel

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:
> I've been working recently on the "branding" of Emacs.  The final goal
> is to improve the first experience newcomers have with Emacs, from the
> website to the startup screen, and the image people have of Emacs.


Good job! I like the new logo and I'm eager to see what you have
planned for the website!



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22  9:29 ` Aurélien Aptel
@ 2015-10-22  9:40   ` Dani Moncayo
  2015-10-22  9:49     ` Nicolas Petton
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Dani Moncayo @ 2015-10-22  9:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: emacs-devel

FWIW: I'd also prefer the new logo proposed by Nicolas, and I'd drop
the logo with the pen.


-- 
Dani Moncayo



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22  9:40   ` Dani Moncayo
@ 2015-10-22  9:49     ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-23  6:31       ` Richard Stallman
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-22  9:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dani Moncayo; +Cc: emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 162 bytes --]

Thank you all for your positive feedback!

I will install it in master shortly.
Drew, I will also make an alternative version with a transparent E.

Cheers,
Nico

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-20 19:26 Emacs logo proposal Nicolas Petton
                   ` (4 preceding siblings ...)
  2015-10-22  9:29 ` Aurélien Aptel
@ 2015-10-22 11:45 ` John Yates
  2015-10-22 12:44   ` Juanma Barranquero
  2015-10-22 12:30 ` Aurélien Aptel
  2015-10-22 14:53 ` Xue Fuqiao
  7 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: John Yates @ 2015-10-22 11:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1964 bytes --]

Count me in  the minority.  I find the color and gradient less than an
improvement.

Recent style movement is towards much flatter icons (e.g. Android Material
Design).  You can see this already in your attached clip from OSX.  (Focus
on icon from the distribution, not third party icons which likely are
lagging re conforming to the style guidelines or may have no intention of
doing so.)

My druthers would be a hue closer to the old purple but devoid of
gradient.  Then I would like to see the icon with and without the
surrounding ring.  (My suspicion is that abandoning the ring will enhance a
flat look.)  And obviously the pen gets jettisoned.

/john



On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've been working recently on the "branding" of Emacs.  The final goal
> is to improve the first experience newcomers have with Emacs, from the
> website to the startup screen, and the image people have of Emacs.
>
> As a first step, I'm working on dusting off our logo, improving the
> current website, and designing a proper website for GNU ELPA.
>
> You will find attached a proposal for a new iteration of the Emacs logo.
> Here's a summary of what I did:
>
> - flattened a bit the circle
> - changed the gradient of the logo to warmer shades of purple
> - changed the orientation if the E, to look more dynamic (looking up
>   instead of down)
> - added a dark stroke around the logo
>
> Because it's important to see a logo in a context, I'm also attaching an
> image (emacs-logo-context.png), which is a composition of:
>
> - the current logo in GNOME
> - the new logo in GNOME
> - the new logo in OSX
> - the new logo in Windows 10
>
> as well as emacs-logo-gnome.png, which shows the new logo in the GNOME
> task switcher.
>
> I'm also attaching the current logo for reference, as well as a variant
> of the new one with the original pen (which I do not like as much as
> without it).
>
> Cheers,
> Nico
>
>

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2519 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-20 19:26 Emacs logo proposal Nicolas Petton
                   ` (5 preceding siblings ...)
  2015-10-22 11:45 ` John Yates
@ 2015-10-22 12:30 ` Aurélien Aptel
  2015-10-22 13:08   ` Nicolas Petton
                     ` (2 more replies)
  2015-10-22 14:53 ` Xue Fuqiao
  7 siblings, 3 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Aurélien Aptel @ 2015-10-22 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: emacs-devel

Someone on reddit posted another proposition (I don't know where it's from tho).

https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/3pr7to/emacsdevel_emacs_logo_proposal_website_redesign/
http://cdn.websharks-inc.com/jaswsinc/uploads/2014/09/512x512.png



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 11:45 ` John Yates
@ 2015-10-22 12:44   ` Juanma Barranquero
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2015-10-22 12:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: John Yates; +Cc: Nicolas Petton, emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 614 bytes --]

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:45 PM, John Yates <john@yates-sheets.org> wrote:
>
> Count me in  the minority.  I find the color and gradient less than an
improvement.

I'm unconvinced, too.

> Recent style movement is towards much flatter icons (e.g. Android
Material Design).

In all fairness, Microsoft pioneered that with the Metro interface for
Windows 7 Phone. etc.

> My druthers would be a hue closer to the old purple but devoid of
gradient.  Then I would
> like to see the icon with and without the surrounding ring.

+1

> And obviously the pen gets jettisoned.

Seems like something we all can agree on ;-)

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 908 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 12:30 ` Aurélien Aptel
@ 2015-10-22 13:08   ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-22 13:12     ` Kaushal Modi
  2015-10-22 13:18   ` Daniel Pimentel
  2015-10-22 17:52   ` David Caldwell
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-22 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Aurélien Aptel; +Cc: emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 498 bytes --]

Aurélien Aptel <aurelien.aptel+emacs@gmail.com> writes:

> Someone on reddit posted another proposition (I don't know where it's
> from tho).

Hi Aurélien,

Thanks for the links.  It's an interesting approach, and apart from
matters of taste and style, I decided to stick to a purple circle with
the original E letter because I want new the logo to be immediately
recognizable as being Emacs, that was very important to me. I don't want
the current brand of Emacs to be lost.

Nico

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 13:08   ` Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-10-22 13:12     ` Kaushal Modi
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Kaushal Modi @ 2015-10-22 13:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: Aurélien Aptel, Emacs developers

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 158 bytes --]

I agree with the proposal to lose gradient and go with flat design.

Probably,
- Retain original logo
- Flat colors, no gradient
- No outer ring
- No pen

??

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 229 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 12:30 ` Aurélien Aptel
  2015-10-22 13:08   ` Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-10-22 13:18   ` Daniel Pimentel
  2015-10-22 13:24     ` David Kastrup
  2015-10-22 17:52   ` David Caldwell
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Daniel Pimentel @ 2015-10-22 13:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Aurélien Aptel
  Cc: Nicolas Petton, emacs-devel-bounces+d4n1=opmbx.org, emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 192 bytes --]

Hi GNUs,

in attach my propossal.

Description: Emacs logo with lambda symbol inverted as a letter "E" of 
Emacs.

Developed by Inkscape.
License: GPLv3 or CC-4.

-- 
Daniel Pimentel (d4n1 3:)

[-- Attachment #2: emacs_proposal.png --]
[-- Type: image/png, Size: 86222 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #3: emacs_proposal.svg --]
[-- Type: image/svg+xml, Size: 11758 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 13:18   ` Daniel Pimentel
@ 2015-10-22 13:24     ` David Kastrup
  2015-10-22 13:27       ` Daniel Pimentel
  2015-10-22 13:41       ` Daniel Pimentel
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: David Kastrup @ 2015-10-22 13:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Daniel Pimentel
  Cc: Aurélien Aptel, Nicolas Petton,
	emacs-devel-bounces+d4n1=opmbx.org, emacs-devel

Daniel Pimentel <d4n1@openmailbox.org> writes:

> Hi GNUs,
>
> in attach my propossal.
>
> Description: Emacs logo with lambda symbol inverted as a letter "E" of
> Emacs.

Cute idea, does not work graphically.  Given the actual shape of the
letter λ I don't think it can reasonably be made to work where a
reasonably convincing lambda as well as E can be discerned.

-- 
David Kastrup



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 13:24     ` David Kastrup
@ 2015-10-22 13:27       ` Daniel Pimentel
  2015-10-22 13:41       ` Daniel Pimentel
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Daniel Pimentel @ 2015-10-22 13:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: David Kastrup
  Cc: Aurélien Aptel, Nicolas Petton,
	emacs-devel-bounces+d4n1=opmbx.org, emacs-devel

Ok, I'll try again :)

Thanks for your good comments,

-- 
Daniel Pimentel (d4n1 3:)



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 13:24     ` David Kastrup
  2015-10-22 13:27       ` Daniel Pimentel
@ 2015-10-22 13:41       ` Daniel Pimentel
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Daniel Pimentel @ 2015-10-22 13:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: David Kastrup
  Cc: Aurélien Aptel, Nicolas Petton,
	emacs-devel-bounces+d4n1=opmbx.org, emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 167 bytes --]

I created a new proposal for Emacs logo (attached).

The logo is based on "pencil" forming an "E" of Emacs.

What do you thing about it?

-- 
Daniel Pimentel (d4n1 3:)

[-- Attachment #2: emacs_proposal2.png --]
[-- Type: image/png, Size: 39612 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #3: emacs_proposal2.svg --]
[-- Type: image/svg+xml, Size: 13092 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-20 19:26 Emacs logo proposal Nicolas Petton
                   ` (6 preceding siblings ...)
  2015-10-22 12:30 ` Aurélien Aptel
@ 2015-10-22 14:53 ` Xue Fuqiao
  2015-10-22 15:28   ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-22 17:50   ` (ELPA website design) " Nicolas Petton
  7 siblings, 2 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Xue Fuqiao @ 2015-10-22 14:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: emacs-devel

Beautiful!  I like the new logo and I'll do what I can do to help you
improve the websites for Emacs and GNU ELPA.[1]

PS - If you are interested, apart from the ones posted above, here are
some other Emacs logos I see:

* https://raw.githubusercontent.com/cg433n/emacs-yosemite-icon/master/emacs.iconset/icon_512x512@2x.png
* https://github.com/emacsfodder/emacs-icons-project

[1] You can have a look at The GNU/FSF Web Site Guidelines
(https://www.gnu.org/server/fsf-html-style-sheet.en.html), if you
haven't been aware of it already.



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 14:53 ` Xue Fuqiao
@ 2015-10-22 15:28   ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-23  0:33     ` Xue Fuqiao
  2015-10-22 17:50   ` (ELPA website design) " Nicolas Petton
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-22 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Xue Fuqiao; +Cc: emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 671 bytes --]

Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com> writes:

> Beautiful!  I like the new logo and I'll do what I can do to help you
> improve the websites for Emacs and GNU ELPA.[1]

Thanks.  I alreadu started with GNU ELPA.  Once the basics of the design
will be in place, I'll show it here on emacs-devel, and we then can work
on it together.  Does that sound like a plan?

> PS - If you are interested, apart from the ones posted above, here are
> some other Emacs logos I see:
>

> [1] You can have a look at The GNU/FSF Web Site Guidelines
> (https://www.gnu.org/server/fsf-html-style-sheet.en.html), if you
> haven't been aware of it already.

I wasn't, thank you for the link.

Nico

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 14:53 ` Xue Fuqiao
  2015-10-22 15:28   ` Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-10-22 17:50   ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-22 18:20     ` John Yates
                       ` (6 more replies)
  1 sibling, 7 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-22 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Xue Fuqiao; +Cc: emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 297 bytes --]

Hi,

I just put a first draft of my work on the GNU ELPA online at
http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/

It's of course rather unfinished, but gives a taste of where I'm
heading.

The content is 99% the same as on http://elpa.gnu.org, it's only
graphical changes at this point.

Cheers,
Nico

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 12:30 ` Aurélien Aptel
  2015-10-22 13:08   ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-22 13:18   ` Daniel Pimentel
@ 2015-10-22 17:52   ` David Caldwell
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: David Caldwell @ 2015-10-22 17:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: emacs-devel


[-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 429 bytes --]

On 10/22/15 5:30 AM, Aurélien Aptel wrote:
> Someone on reddit posted another proposition (I don't know where it's from tho).

FWIW, someone sent me a slightly tweaked Emacs Icon designed to fit in
with the stock Yosemite (Mac OS X 10.10) icons:

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/cg433n/emacs-yosemite-icon/master/icon_1024x1024.png

Attached is how it looks in the dock next to some stock Mac OS X icons.

-David


[-- Attachment #1.2: yosemite-icon-in-dock.png --]
[-- Type: image/png, Size: 33860 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #2: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature --]
[-- Type: application/pkcs7-signature, Size: 4239 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 17:50   ` (ELPA website design) " Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-10-22 18:20     ` John Yates
  2015-10-22 18:39       ` Kelvin White
  2015-10-23  8:06       ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-22 21:24     ` Rasmus
                       ` (5 subsequent siblings)
  6 siblings, 2 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: John Yates @ 2015-10-22 18:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: Xue Fuqiao, emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 540 bytes --]

I am surprised at the large swash of burgundy.  Not that it is unattractive
but out of consistency I would have expected Emacs purple.

/john

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just put a first draft of my work on the GNU ELPA online at
> http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/
>
> It's of course rather unfinished, but gives a taste of where I'm
> heading.
>
> The content is 99% the same as on http://elpa.gnu.org, it's only
> graphical changes at this point.
>
> Cheers,
> Nico
>

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1066 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 18:20     ` John Yates
@ 2015-10-22 18:39       ` Kelvin White
  2015-10-22 19:13         ` Drew Adams
  2015-10-23  8:06       ` Nicolas Petton
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Kelvin White @ 2015-10-22 18:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: John Yates, Emacs development discussions

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 2:20 PM, John Yates <john@yates-sheets.org> wrote:
> I am surprised at the large swash of burgundy.  Not that it is unattractive
> but out of consistency I would have expected Emacs purple.
>
> /john
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just put a first draft of my work on the GNU ELPA online at
>> http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/
>>
>> It's of course rather unfinished, but gives a taste of where I'm
>> heading.
>>
>> The content is 99% the same as on http://elpa.gnu.org, it's only
>> graphical changes at this point.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nico
>
>

I'm wondering why most emacs guides, tutorials, how-tos etc. refer to the
'~/.emacs' file instead of '~/.emacs.d/init.el'. Is this a Windows thing?



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* RE: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 18:39       ` Kelvin White
@ 2015-10-22 19:13         ` Drew Adams
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2015-10-22 19:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Kelvin White, John Yates, Emacs development discussions

> I'm wondering why most emacs guides, tutorials, how-tos etc. refer to the
> '~/.emacs' file instead of '~/.emacs.d/init.el'. Is this a Windows thing?

They should refer to *neither*.  They should refer to the user's
"init file", and they should reference (emacs) `Init File' ("The
Emacs Initialization File").

http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Init-File.html



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 17:50   ` (ELPA website design) " Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-22 18:20     ` John Yates
@ 2015-10-22 21:24     ` Rasmus
  2015-10-23  8:07       ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-23  1:05     ` Xue Fuqiao
                       ` (4 subsequent siblings)
  6 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Rasmus @ 2015-10-22 21:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I just put a first draft of my work on the GNU ELPA online at
> http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/
>
> It's of course rather unfinished, but gives a taste of where I'm
> heading.
>
> The content is 99% the same as on http://elpa.gnu.org, it's only
> graphical changes at this point.

Looks very nice.  "Browse packages" doesn't work in my browser.  Might be
intentional.

Thanks,
Rasmus

-- 
Slowly unravels in a ball of yarn and the devil collects it




^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 15:28   ` Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-10-23  0:33     ` Xue Fuqiao
  2015-10-23  8:02       ` Nicolas Petton
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Xue Fuqiao @ 2015-10-23  0:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: emacs-devel

Hi Nicolas,

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:

> Thanks.  I alreadu started with GNU ELPA.  Once the basics of the design
> will be in place, I'll show it here on emacs-devel, and we then can work
> on it together.  Does that sound like a plan?

Yes, and I'm looking forward to it!  Here are my suggestions:

* Add a Building and Deploying section in admin/notes/www, containing
  workflow instructions for the websites of Emacs and GNU ELPA, so other
  people can contribute easily.[1][2]

* If needed, I can help set up a staging site (so the web repo can have
  a master branch and a release branch).

* In The Future(TM), maybe setting up some sort of automated testing
  for the websites can help validate the code works as expected.

I have some basic HTML/CSS/JavaScript skills.  Maybe I can help with the
code.

BTW, do you plan to use the GNU boilerplate[3] for the new websites
(Emacs and GNU ELPA)?  Many (if not most) GNU projects use it, but IIRC
there are also GNU projects not using it (e.g., Hurd, Guix, glibc,
GnuPG, GRUB, MediaGoblin, Octave, FreeIPMI, GNUstep, GNOME and GTK+).

Footnotes:

[1] I still don't know where the "real" GNU ELPA website is located.  I
made some changes in elpa.git/html/ in 2013, but those changes were/are
not deployed to elpa.gnu.org.  (I have a fencepost.gnu.org account, but I
haven't checked there yet.)

[2] It helps a lot for someone not familiar with CVS like me (the Emacs
website source code is in cvs.savannah.gnu.org:/web/emacs).

[3] https://www.gnu.org/server/standards/boilerplate.html



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 17:50   ` (ELPA website design) " Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-22 18:20     ` John Yates
  2015-10-22 21:24     ` Rasmus
@ 2015-10-23  1:05     ` Xue Fuqiao
  2015-10-23  2:45     ` Yuri Khan
                       ` (3 subsequent siblings)
  6 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Xue Fuqiao @ 2015-10-23  1:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: emacs-devel

Hi Nicolas,

[Sorry, I didn't see this post when I wrote my last reply.]

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:50 AM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:
> I just put a first draft of my work on the GNU ELPA online at
> http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/

In general, it looks good.  I like the Fira Sans font, the "Browse the
packages" button, the linear-gradient header, and the DTD-less DOCTYPE :-)

Although (like John) I would have expected Emacs purple instead of
burgundy.  The current header color looks strange to me.



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 17:50   ` (ELPA website design) " Nicolas Petton
                       ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2015-10-23  1:05     ` Xue Fuqiao
@ 2015-10-23  2:45     ` Yuri Khan
  2015-10-23  3:31       ` Matthew Carter
  2015-10-23  8:08       ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-23 17:05     ` Nicolas Petton
                       ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  6 siblings, 2 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Yuri Khan @ 2015-10-23  2:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: Xue Fuqiao, emacs-devel

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:50 PM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:

> I just put a first draft of my work on the GNU ELPA online at
> http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/

I’d like to voice my concern with this fragment of CSS:

=== layout.css#line=97,102
.container {
  padding: 80px;
  width: 960px;
  margin: 0 auto;
}
===

This causes the width of the page to be at least 80+960+80 = 1020
pixels, leading to horizontal scrolling on narrower displays.

An important case of a narrow display occurs when two windows are
tiled side-by-side on a typical 24″ 1920×1080 or 1920×1200 desktop
monitor. (This size and resolution is when it becomes really
inconvenient to keep the browser maximized to the whole screen, as
lines become too wide to read.)

Consider also mobile users, whose typical screen width is likely to be
just about 2.5″, or 240 CSS pixels if taken at face value.

> It's of course rather unfinished, but gives a taste of where I'm
> heading.



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23  2:45     ` Yuri Khan
@ 2015-10-23  3:31       ` Matthew Carter
  2015-10-23  8:08       ` Nicolas Petton
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Matthew Carter @ 2015-10-23  3:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Yuri Khan; +Cc: Xue Fuqiao, Nicolas Petton, emacs-devel

Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com> writes:

> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:50 PM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:
>
>> I just put a first draft of my work on the GNU ELPA online at
>> http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/
>
> I’d like to voice my concern with this fragment of CSS:
>
> === layout.css#line=97,102
> .container {
>   padding: 80px;
>   width: 960px;
>   margin: 0 auto;
> }
> ===
>
> This causes the width of the page to be at least 80+960+80 = 1020
> pixels, leading to horizontal scrolling on narrower displays.
>
> An important case of a narrow display occurs when two windows are
> tiled side-by-side on a typical 24″ 1920×1080 or 1920×1200 desktop
> monitor. (This size and resolution is when it becomes really
> inconvenient to keep the browser maximized to the whole screen, as
> lines become too wide to read.)
>
> Consider also mobile users, whose typical screen width is likely to be
> just about 2.5″, or 240 CSS pixels if taken at face value.
>
>> It's of course rather unfinished, but gives a taste of where I'm
>> heading.
>

Agreed - in marketing terms, the design definitely needs to be
"responsive".

I have a MELPA related site I had put together here:

http://slugelisp.ahungry.com/

Which auto-formats the layout based on screen width (using twitter's
bootstrap library - a set of js/css designed for various layouts).

The purple/pink color scheme looks great though!

-- 
Matthew Carter (m@ahungry.com)
http://ahungry.com



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22  9:49     ` Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-10-23  6:31       ` Richard Stallman
  2015-10-23  7:58         ` Nicolas Petton
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2015-10-23  6:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: emacs-devel, dmoncayo

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

I liked the old overflowing kitchen sink logo.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org)
Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.




^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23  6:31       ` Richard Stallman
@ 2015-10-23  7:58         ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-23  8:52           ` David Kastrup
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-23  7:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: rms; +Cc: emacs-devel, dmoncayo

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 135 bytes --]

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> I liked the old overflowing kitchen sink logo.

Hi Richard,

Could you point me to it?

Nico

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23  0:33     ` Xue Fuqiao
@ 2015-10-23  8:02       ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-23  9:10         ` Artur Malabarba
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-23  8:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Xue Fuqiao; +Cc: emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 512 bytes --]

Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi Nicolas,

Hi Xue,

> BTW, do you plan to use the GNU boilerplate[3] for the new websites
> (Emacs and GNU ELPA)?

Well, no. I might cherry pick some things from it, but that would be it.


> [1] I still don't know where the "real" GNU ELPA website is located.
> I made some changes in elpa.git/html/ in 2013, but those changes
> were/are not deployed to elpa.gnu.org.

Oh, really? I really thought it was there.  Then I have no clue either.
Does anyone knows?

Nico

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 18:20     ` John Yates
  2015-10-22 18:39       ` Kelvin White
@ 2015-10-23  8:06       ` Nicolas Petton
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-23  8:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: John Yates; +Cc: Xue Fuqiao, emacs-devel


[-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 383 bytes --]

John Yates <john@yates-sheets.org> writes:

> I am surprised at the large swash of burgundy.  Not that it is unattractive
> but out of consistency I would have expected Emacs purple.

I'm keeping the Emacs purple (well, a gradiant with the Emacs purple in
it) for the Emacs website.  You will find attached a PNG image I worked on
that lead me to the current website.

Cheers,
Nico


[-- Attachment #1.2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #2: elpa.png --]
[-- Type: image/png, Size: 30172 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 21:24     ` Rasmus
@ 2015-10-23  8:07       ` Nicolas Petton
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-23  8:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Rasmus, emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 314 bytes --]

Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes:

>> The content is 99% the same as on http://elpa.gnu.org, it's only
>> graphical changes at this point.
>
> Looks very nice.  "Browse packages" doesn't work in my browser.  Might be
> intentional.

Yeah, this is early work.  At that point I only bothered with the index
page.

Nico

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23  2:45     ` Yuri Khan
  2015-10-23  3:31       ` Matthew Carter
@ 2015-10-23  8:08       ` Nicolas Petton
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-23  8:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Yuri Khan; +Cc: Xue Fuqiao, emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 637 bytes --]

Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com> writes:

> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:50 PM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:
>
>> I just put a first draft of my work on the GNU ELPA online at
>> http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/
>
> I’d like to voice my concern with this fragment of CSS:
>
> === layout.css#line=97,102
> .container {
>   padding: 80px;
>   width: 960px;
>   margin: 0 auto;
> }
> ===

Hi Yuri,

As I said, this early work, please do not worry too much about CSS
details just yet :)

About this specific issue, be sure that I would not work on a website
and not make it responsive.

Nico

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23  7:58         ` Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-10-23  8:52           ` David Kastrup
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: David Kastrup @ 2015-10-23  8:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: dmoncayo, rms, emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 184 bytes --]

Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> writes:

> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> I liked the old overflowing kitchen sink logo.
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> Could you point me to it?


[-- Attachment #2: emacsicon.png --]
[-- Type: image/png, Size: 266 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 20 bytes --]



-- 
David Kastrup

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23  8:02       ` Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-10-23  9:10         ` Artur Malabarba
  2015-10-23 11:23           ` Xue Fuqiao
  2015-10-25  3:44           ` Stefan Monnier
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Artur Malabarba @ 2015-10-23  9:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: Xue Fuqiao, Stefan Monnier, emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 489 bytes --]

On 23 Oct 2015 9:02 am, "Nicolas Petton" <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:
>
> Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com> writes:
> > [1] I still don't know where the "real" GNU ELPA website is located.
> > I made some changes in elpa.git/html/ in 2013, but those changes
> > were/are not deployed to elpa.gnu.org.
>
> Oh, really? I really thought it was there.  Then I have no clue either.
> Does anyone knows?

Last time I wanted to change it, Stefan (CC.ed) applied the change. So I'm
guessing he knows.

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 752 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23  9:10         ` Artur Malabarba
@ 2015-10-23 11:23           ` Xue Fuqiao
  2015-10-23 11:37             ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-25  3:44           ` Stefan Monnier
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Xue Fuqiao @ 2015-10-23 11:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: emacs-devel

BTW, I have another minor suggestion: add sentences like "To contact the
GNU ELPA admins, send email to emacs-devel@gnu.org.  To report a bug,
send email to bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org.  You can browse our bug database at
debbugs.gnu.org." so people know where to contact when they have a
problem.

Maybe we should file a meta bug[1] for the new website, in order to
avoid suggestions being forgotten.

[1] Similar to this Mozilla bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1088449



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23 11:23           ` Xue Fuqiao
@ 2015-10-23 11:37             ` Nicolas Petton
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-23 11:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Xue Fuqiao; +Cc: emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 455 bytes --]

Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com> writes:

> BTW, I have another minor suggestion: add sentences like "To contact the
> GNU ELPA admins, send email to emacs-devel@gnu.org.  To report a bug,
> send email to bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org.  You can browse our bug database at
> debbugs.gnu.org." so people know where to contact when they have a
> problem.

Thanks for the suggestion.  For now I haven't made any changes to the
content itself though, but I will.

Nico

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-21  8:06   ` Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-10-23 15:35     ` Dmitry Gutov
  2015-10-23 15:59       ` Nicolas Petton
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Dmitry Gutov @ 2015-10-23 15:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton, emacs-devel

Hi Nicolas,

On 10/21/2015 11:06 AM, Nicolas Petton wrote:
>> variant with the pen), the new one feels out of balance horizontally,
>> weighing more to the left. Maybe move it right a little?
>
> I can try that, but while I understand what you mean, I don't get the
> same feeling.  I will try to move it slightly to the right anyway.

Any news on that front? My feeling hasn't gone away, unfortunately.



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23 15:35     ` Dmitry Gutov
@ 2015-10-23 15:59       ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-23 16:06         ` Dmitry Gutov
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-23 15:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dmitry Gutov, emacs-devel


[-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 265 bytes --]

Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:

> Hi Nicolas,

Hi Dmitry,

> Any news on that front? My feeling hasn't gone away, unfortunately.

That's unfortunate, indeed. ;-)

What about the attached PNG file?  I can't really move it more to the
right than that.

Nico

[-- Attachment #1.2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #2: emacs-centered.png --]
[-- Type: image/png, Size: 32230 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23 15:59       ` Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-10-23 16:06         ` Dmitry Gutov
  2015-10-23 16:14           ` Nicolas Petton
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Dmitry Gutov @ 2015-10-23 16:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton, emacs-devel

On 10/23/2015 06:59 PM, Nicolas Petton wrote:

> What about the attached PNG file?  I can't really move it more to the
> right than that.

It's better. Maybe move it a tiny bit to the left now? :)

The sweet spot should be somewhere between the two versions.

By the way, I think the "old" icon files should be called emacs24, not 
emacs23.



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23 16:06         ` Dmitry Gutov
@ 2015-10-23 16:14           ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-23 16:55             ` Dmitry Gutov
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-23 16:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dmitry Gutov, emacs-devel


[-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 315 bytes --]

Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:

> It's better. Maybe move it a tiny bit to the left now? :)

Haha.  Ok, here you go.  This one is the best IMO.

> By the way, I think the "old" icon files should be called emacs24, not 
> emacs23.

Do you think?  They were apparently made for Emacs 23.

Nico


[-- Attachment #1.2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #2: emacs-centered.png --]
[-- Type: image/png, Size: 32076 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23 16:14           ` Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-10-23 16:55             ` Dmitry Gutov
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Dmitry Gutov @ 2015-10-23 16:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton, emacs-devel

On 10/23/2015 07:14 PM, Nicolas Petton wrote:

> Haha.  Ok, here you go.  This one is the best IMO.

Agreed, looks good.

>> By the way, I think the "old" icon files should be called emacs24, not
>> emacs23.
>
> Do you think?  They were apparently made for Emacs 23.

I'd name them after the last version they'd appeared in. But if everyone 
else is okay with the current filename, don't mind me.



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 17:50   ` (ELPA website design) " Nicolas Petton
                       ` (3 preceding siblings ...)
  2015-10-23  2:45     ` Yuri Khan
@ 2015-10-23 17:05     ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-23 17:20       ` Eli Zaretskii
  2015-10-24  1:32       ` Xue Fuqiao
  2015-10-23 17:43     ` Aurélien Aptel
  2015-10-23 18:37     ` Stephen Berman
  6 siblings, 2 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-23 17:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Xue Fuqiao; +Cc: emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 154 bytes --]

Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> writes:

Here's a first version of the packages page:
http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/packages/

Cheers,
Nico

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23 17:05     ` Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-10-23 17:20       ` Eli Zaretskii
  2015-10-24  1:32       ` Xue Fuqiao
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2015-10-23 17:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: xfq.free, emacs-devel

> From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr>
> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:05:53 +0200
> Cc: emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> 
> Here's a first version of the packages page:
> http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/packages/

LGTM, thanks.



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 17:50   ` (ELPA website design) " Nicolas Petton
                       ` (4 preceding siblings ...)
  2015-10-23 17:05     ` Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-10-23 17:43     ` Aurélien Aptel
  2015-10-23 18:13       ` Kelvin White
  2015-10-23 18:37     ` Stephen Berman
  6 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Aurélien Aptel @ 2015-10-23 17:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: Xue Fuqiao, emacs-devel

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just put a first draft of my work on the GNU ELPA online at
> http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/

Again, good job Nicolas! It's a big improvement as far as I'm concerned.



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23 17:43     ` Aurélien Aptel
@ 2015-10-23 18:13       ` Kelvin White
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Kelvin White @ 2015-10-23 18:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Aurélien Aptel; +Cc: Xue Fuqiao, Nicolas Petton, emacs-devel

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Aurélien Aptel
<aurelien.aptel+emacs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just put a first draft of my work on the GNU ELPA online at
> > http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/
>
> Again, good job Nicolas! It's a big improvement as far as I'm concerned.
>
>

+1



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-22 17:50   ` (ELPA website design) " Nicolas Petton
                       ` (5 preceding siblings ...)
  2015-10-23 17:43     ` Aurélien Aptel
@ 2015-10-23 18:37     ` Stephen Berman
  2015-10-23 19:50       ` Nicolas Petton
  6 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Stephen Berman @ 2015-10-23 18:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: emacs-devel

On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:50:55 +0200 Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just put a first draft of my work on the GNU ELPA online at
> http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/
>
> It's of course rather unfinished, but gives a taste of where I'm
> heading.

On my system the banner header displays correctly on Firefox, Chrome and
Chromium, but on Konqueror and QupZilla the line at the banner's bottom
is shown, but the space above it is white and only the "GNU Emacs" link
is visible, the rest of the text ("GNU Emacs Lisp Package Archive\nThe
default package repository for") and the Elpa image are not displayed;
and on emacs-w3m and eww the text and link of the header are displayed,
but above it there's only an empty box.

Steve Berman



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23 18:37     ` Stephen Berman
@ 2015-10-23 19:50       ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-26  8:57         ` Nicolas Petton
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-23 19:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Stephen Berman; +Cc: emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1039 bytes --]

Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> writes:

> On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:50:55 +0200 Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just put a first draft of my work on the GNU ELPA online at
>> http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/
>>
>> It's of course rather unfinished, but gives a taste of where I'm
>> heading.
>
> On my system the banner header displays correctly on Firefox, Chrome and
> Chromium, but on Konqueror and QupZilla the line at the banner's bottom
> is shown, but the space above it is white and only the "GNU Emacs" link
> is visible, the rest of the text ("GNU Emacs Lisp Package Archive\nThe
> default package repository for") and the Elpa image are not displayed;
> and on emacs-w3m and eww the text and link of the header are displayed,
> but above it there's only an empty box.

That's because I only used a gradiant for now as the background, with no
vendor prefix.

I will of course fix that.

Nico

>
> Steve Berman

-- 
Nicolas Petton
http://nicolas-petton.fr

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23 17:05     ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-23 17:20       ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2015-10-24  1:32       ` Xue Fuqiao
  2015-10-24  8:07         ` Nicolas Petton
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Xue Fuqiao @ 2015-10-24  1:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: emacs-devel

On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 1:05 AM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:
> Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> writes:
>
> Here's a first version of the packages page:
> http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/packages/

Cool!  The table search filter is pretty convenient.

Minor nitpick:

* A favicon is needed, preferably with a transparent background
* The DOCTYPE should be the same as http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/
* It would be better to use CSS instead of `border' and `cellpadding'
  for the table element



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-24  1:32       ` Xue Fuqiao
@ 2015-10-24  8:07         ` Nicolas Petton
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-24  8:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Xue Fuqiao; +Cc: emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 458 bytes --]

Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com> writes:

> Minor nitpick:
>
> * A favicon is needed, preferably with a transparent background
> * The DOCTYPE should be the same as http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/
> * It would be better to use CSS instead of `border' and `cellpadding'
>   for the table element

Indeed, the html page is still basically the current one, I haven't really
changed it yet.


-- 
Nicolas Petton
http://nicolas-petton.fr

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23  9:10         ` Artur Malabarba
  2015-10-23 11:23           ` Xue Fuqiao
@ 2015-10-25  3:44           ` Stefan Monnier
  2015-10-25 17:56             ` Nicolas Petton
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2015-10-25  3:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Artur Malabarba; +Cc: Xue Fuqiao, Nicolas Petton, emacs-devel

>> > [1] I still don't know where the "real" GNU ELPA website is located.
>> > I made some changes in elpa.git/html/ in 2013, but those changes
>> > were/are not deployed to elpa.gnu.org.
>> Oh, really? I really thought it was there.  Then I have no clue either.
>> Does anyone knows?
> Last time I wanted to change it, Stefan (CC.ed) applied the change. So I'm
> guessing he knows.

It's in elpa.gnu.org:/var/www


        Stefan



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-25  3:44           ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2015-10-25 17:56             ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-25 19:56               ` Stefan Monnier
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-25 17:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Stefan Monnier, Artur Malabarba; +Cc: Xue Fuqiao, emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 171 bytes --]

Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> writes:

> It's in elpa.gnu.org:/var/www

Hi Stefan,

Is it ssh, ftp?  And do you know how I could get write access to it?

Nico

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-25 17:56             ` Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-10-25 19:56               ` Stefan Monnier
  2015-10-25 23:58                 ` Xue Fuqiao
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2015-10-25 19:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: Xue Fuqiao, Artur Malabarba, emacs-devel

>> It's in elpa.gnu.org:/var/www
> Hi Stefan,
> Is it ssh, ftp?

elpa.gnu.org is a virtual host accessible via SSH.

> And do you know how I could get write access to it?

You have to request access to it at sysadmin@gnu.org, IIRC.
And currently it's setup in a very naive way, where you basically need
root access (via sudo) to do anything, so I don't like to give access
to people too easily.

OTOH an "official admin" would be *very* welcome.

Also it'd be good to setup a cron job that does something like copying
the web-site files from elpa.git/html to /var/www.  Yet at the same time,
we have to be careful since lots and lots of people have write access to
elpa.git, and we don't want this to give them indirectly access to
elpa.gnu.org.


        Stefan



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-25 19:56               ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2015-10-25 23:58                 ` Xue Fuqiao
  2015-10-26  8:00                   ` Nicolas Petton
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Xue Fuqiao @ 2015-10-25 23:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Nicolas Petton, Artur Malabarba, emacs-devel

Hi Stefan,

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 3:56 AM, Stefan Monnier
<monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
> You have to request access to it at sysadmin@gnu.org, IIRC.
> And currently it's setup in a very naive way, where you basically need
> root access (via sudo) to do anything, so I don't like to give access
> to people too easily.
>
> OTOH an "official admin" would be *very* welcome.

What are responsibilities and qualifications of the official admin?

> Also it'd be good to setup a cron job that does something like copying
> the web-site files from elpa.git/html to /var/www.  Yet at the same time,
> we have to be careful since lots and lots of people have write access to
> elpa.git, and we don't want this to give them indirectly access to
> elpa.gnu.org.

Agreed.  That's why I suggested that we set up a set up a
"staging/development site".  The changes to elpa.git/html will only be
deployed to the staging/development site regularly, and if we decided to
release a new version of elpa.gnu.org website, then the official admin
deploys it to /var/www.  Just like a master branch and a release branch.

I don't know how to set up a staging site under gnu.org, but (if you
agree) I can help set up one on GitHub or on my own server.



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-25 23:58                 ` Xue Fuqiao
@ 2015-10-26  8:00                   ` Nicolas Petton
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-26  8:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Xue Fuqiao, Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Artur Malabarba, emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 241 bytes --]

Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com> writes:

>> OTOH an "official admin" would be *very* welcome.
>
> What are responsibilities and qualifications of the official admin?

If it's not too much of a burden, I could take that responsibility.

Nico

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-23 19:50       ` Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-10-26  8:57         ` Nicolas Petton
  2015-10-26 23:49           ` Xue Fuqiao
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Petton @ 2015-10-26  8:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Stephen Berman; +Cc: emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 172 bytes --]

Hi,

I made both the homepage and the packages page responsive:

http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/
http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/packages/

Cheers,
Nico

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 512 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-26  8:57         ` Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-10-26 23:49           ` Xue Fuqiao
  2015-10-27  3:39             ` Yuri Khan
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Xue Fuqiao @ 2015-10-26 23:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: Stephen Berman, emacs-devel

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:
> Hi,

Hi Nicolas,

> I made both the homepage and the packages page responsive:
>
> http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/
> http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/elpa/packages/

Thank you for solving the favicon/DOCTYPE/table-attribute issues!

And yes, with the new viewport meta tags and CSS media queries, these
pages look better on mobile devices!

BTW, since the 'tt' element is obsolete, would you please replace
<tt>M-x list-packages</tt> with something else (such as <code>, or
<span> with 'font-family:monospace')?  And don't forget to remove the
corresponding rules in layout.css.  Thank you very much.



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-26 23:49           ` Xue Fuqiao
@ 2015-10-27  3:39             ` Yuri Khan
  2015-10-28 13:27               ` Xue Fuqiao
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Yuri Khan @ 2015-10-27  3:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Xue Fuqiao; +Cc: Nicolas Petton, Stephen Berman, emacs-devel

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 5:49 AM, Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com> wrote:

> BTW, since the 'tt' element is obsolete, would you please replace
> <tt>M-x list-packages</tt> with something else (such as <code>, or
> <span> with 'font-family:monospace')?

“M-x list-packages” is arguably user input, so <kbd> is appropriate.



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: (ELPA website design) Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-27  3:39             ` Yuri Khan
@ 2015-10-28 13:27               ` Xue Fuqiao
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: Xue Fuqiao @ 2015-10-28 13:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Yuri Khan; +Cc: Nicolas Petton, Stephen Berman, emacs-devel

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 5:49 AM, Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> BTW, since the 'tt' element is obsolete, would you please replace
>> <tt>M-x list-packages</tt> with something else (such as <code>, or
>> <span> with 'font-family:monospace')?
>
> “M-x list-packages” is arguably user input, so <kbd> is appropriate.

Yes, you're right.  In fact, I made a change exactly the same as your
advice above in 2013.

See: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/commit/html/index.html?id=f6799b0eebed5a81f3b68c02bb329d76abf091fa



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-10-20 20:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
  2015-10-21  8:06   ` Nicolas Petton
@ 2015-11-14 18:28   ` Mark Oteiza
  2015-11-15 15:42     ` Dmitry Gutov
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Mark Oteiza @ 2015-11-14 18:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1078 bytes --]


After coming across some posts about the new logo (and now seeing it),
I'm jumping in.

Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:
>> You will find attached a proposal for a new iteration of the Emacs logo.
>
> I like it, it's sharper and with better colors.
>
> But it lost something too: as opposed to the old logo (and even the
> variant with the pen), the new one feels out of balance horizontally,
> weighing more to the left. Maybe move it right a little?

This echoes my first impression.

The change in orientation and position of the E appears gratuitous to
me. Because the orientation has changed, it's impossible for the logo to
look balanced without shoving the E too far to the right.

Just pasting the old E onto the new logo, I get something that is much
less jarring.

I think just changing the background and removing the pen is enough of a
change. As another example: some time ago the "drop shadow" was removed
from the splash. Although a rather small change, I think it made the
splash look much cleaner. You don't have to change everything to update
a look.


[-- Attachment #2: example --]
[-- Type: image/png, Size: 22394 bytes --]

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-11-14 18:28   ` Mark Oteiza
@ 2015-11-15 15:42     ` Dmitry Gutov
  2015-11-17  0:13       ` John Wiegley
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 71+ messages in thread
From: Dmitry Gutov @ 2015-11-15 15:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Mark Oteiza, emacs-devel; +Cc: Nicolas Petton

On 11/14/2015 08:28 PM, Mark Oteiza wrote:

> The change in orientation and position of the E appears gratuitous to
> me. Because the orientation has changed, it's impossible for the logo to
> look balanced without shoving the E too far to the right.

Like discussed later, the current icon in the Emacs repo is balanced 
enough horizontally, IMHO. And your attachment does feel weighing a bit 
to the right (which may well have been the case in the original).

Even so, the slanted version looks decent, and, depending on the mood, I 
might prefer it.

Should we have a user poll sometime before the release?



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

* Re: Emacs logo proposal
  2015-11-15 15:42     ` Dmitry Gutov
@ 2015-11-17  0:13       ` John Wiegley
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 71+ messages in thread
From: John Wiegley @ 2015-11-17  0:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dmitry Gutov; +Cc: Mark Oteiza, Nicolas Petton, emacs-devel

>>>>> Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:

> Even so, the slanted version looks decent, and, depending on the mood, I
> might prefer it.

> Should we have a user poll sometime before the release?

I think so.  How about asking help-gnu-emacs? Or Reddit?

John



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 71+ messages in thread

end of thread, other threads:[~2015-11-17  0:13 UTC | newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed
-- links below jump to the message on this page --
2015-10-20 19:26 Emacs logo proposal Nicolas Petton
2015-10-20 19:45 ` Jay Belanger
2015-10-20 19:58   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-21  8:04     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-20 20:05   ` Chris Van Dusen
2015-10-20 20:15     ` Kaushal Modi
2015-10-20 20:45   ` David Kastrup
2015-10-20 20:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-21  8:06   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-23 15:35     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-23 15:59       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-23 16:06         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-23 16:14           ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-23 16:55             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-14 18:28   ` Mark Oteiza
2015-11-15 15:42     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-17  0:13       ` John Wiegley
2015-10-20 20:44 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-21  8:09   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-20 21:30 ` Rasmus
2015-10-22  9:29 ` Aurélien Aptel
2015-10-22  9:40   ` Dani Moncayo
2015-10-22  9:49     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-23  6:31       ` Richard Stallman
2015-10-23  7:58         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-23  8:52           ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 11:45 ` John Yates
2015-10-22 12:44   ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-10-22 12:30 ` Aurélien Aptel
2015-10-22 13:08   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-22 13:12     ` Kaushal Modi
2015-10-22 13:18   ` Daniel Pimentel
2015-10-22 13:24     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 13:27       ` Daniel Pimentel
2015-10-22 13:41       ` Daniel Pimentel
2015-10-22 17:52   ` David Caldwell
2015-10-22 14:53 ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-10-22 15:28   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-23  0:33     ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-10-23  8:02       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-23  9:10         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-23 11:23           ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-10-23 11:37             ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-25  3:44           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-25 17:56             ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-25 19:56               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-10-25 23:58                 ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-10-26  8:00                   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-22 17:50   ` (ELPA website design) " Nicolas Petton
2015-10-22 18:20     ` John Yates
2015-10-22 18:39       ` Kelvin White
2015-10-22 19:13         ` Drew Adams
2015-10-23  8:06       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-22 21:24     ` Rasmus
2015-10-23  8:07       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-23  1:05     ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-10-23  2:45     ` Yuri Khan
2015-10-23  3:31       ` Matthew Carter
2015-10-23  8:08       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-23 17:05     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-23 17:20       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-24  1:32       ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-10-24  8:07         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-23 17:43     ` Aurélien Aptel
2015-10-23 18:13       ` Kelvin White
2015-10-23 18:37     ` Stephen Berman
2015-10-23 19:50       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-26  8:57         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-26 23:49           ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-10-27  3:39             ` Yuri Khan
2015-10-28 13:27               ` Xue Fuqiao

Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git

This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.