From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bug in server-start Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:46:42 +0100 Message-ID: References: <18758.7352.558182.931572@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <200812161615.mBGGFFto004218@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <200812161631.mBGGV86i004284@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <200812161700.mBGH0n8x004355@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <200812161851.mBGIp6Ax004767@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <200812161928.mBGJSQo1004840@mothra.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1229456900 25881 80.91.229.12 (16 Dec 2008 19:48:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ulrich Mueller , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Nick Roberts , Stefan Monnier To: "Dan Nicolaescu" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 16 20:49:15 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LCfuA-0004a7-7q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:48:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59501 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCfsx-0005IH-DN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:47:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCfsZ-0005Ak-01 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:46:51 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCfsX-0005AS-KC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:46:49 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39169 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCfsX-0005AP-HD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:46:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-gx0-f18.google.com ([209.85.217.18]:65247) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LCfsX-0005z6-6K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:46:49 -0500 Original-Received: by gxk11 with SMTP id 11so57772gxk.18 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:46:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Rm9QtUO4g6FHhwX+WaphTGcnQH4m3mI1/DcCPMMIWYM=; b=OkjyeJfEZrhdClXMoHHsGgopjYgXtw/AV+iLHD58UtVUxEr9s/Aj1hD4zaOHcJitt3 7QmKEWQHDBMT2eDagrZq8wrslZnEnXhRXCcgleDXk85ZNZEgv5kE8k5AKpCqbBInUhcw rhLxl65aXFfdybeb5PZNOtJpFiuJskw73tJnA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=a4Q8ll9ugCucCb+flHZjs1uwzXu4GqTO+ckVqxj+gaDV6RNV2e72twsCi1PntEP8hW ce72F+AENqlb2ikvIO76+0cePG5nOrl29K9YXWJc1XBECmgIDrx0QENZsanSf777vKAY ac7NpEk5sYHLPql/1tLQsbtea9kRQXT5lsFIw= Original-Received: by 10.100.134.16 with SMTP id h16mr5988044and.42.1229456803059; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:46:43 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.100.13.13 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:46:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200812161928.mBGJSQo1004840@mothra.ics.uci.edu> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:106981 Archived-At: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 20:28, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: > Then PLEASE STOP making statements about what I said when that is > clearly not true. Then PLEASE STOP trying to turn this discussion into another confrontation. > (display-warning 'server (format "Server %S is already running" server-name)) > > Given that the 23.1 behavior is different than what happened before, > this will not help users easily find out what is wrong. What will help the users find out what is wrong? Not giving them a warning? > PLEASE STOP making statements here about what I do or do not, when you > have no information to support your suppositions. Thank you. PLEASE STOP using that tone, and PLEASE LOOK for "perhaps" in a dictionary. > There's a strong hint in the fact that server-name is a defvar with no > docstring (not a defcustom). Nonsense. The manual clearly says that you can run several servers provided that you use different names, and before --daemon (and even now, on Windows) there's no user command to set the server-name. If anything, perhaps it should be a defcustom, or at the very least have a docstring. > I designed --daemon to be very easy to use, I want the error messages to > be easy to understand/debug too. And the difference between Could not start daemon and Could not start daemon "server" (or, 'Could not start daemon named "server"') makes the error messages difficult to understand/debug? How so? Juanma